I don't understand this...

[HelioDoxies]

How you guys could play D3 for hours on end with endless questing and farming and it's not just even D3 just about every other game people have no problem with questing, but when it comes to GunZ people make it seem like questing is just the most disgraceful thing you could ever do. It's apart of the game that attracts people just like PvP so I don't understand the hate the questing community gets.

What I'm trying to say is how can you quest on any other game for 5-6 hours at a time, but can't spend 10 minutes in a GunZ quest and yes they are actually really challenging.

[Schisma]

Because they aren't really challenging. And if that answer isn't enough it's also a gimmick that got old to the older competitive community (i.e. GZF back then) before Ijji ever launched because of the hype that JGunZ got, which itself was caused because Japanese netmarble was easier to access and we were all pumped to roll around with smgs and spray goblins. We were all much more interested in the competitive "serious" side of GunZ that we already knew from iGunZ, which was still cool because people were still getting better with the game (that is to say the overall skill level of the basics were still climbing without peaking out). Basically the oldest players of the game who stuck with it for the transition into Ijji became the best on the servers immediately, while new players who never experienced quest got into that. That mentality then stuck around GZF for a while; quester just became a word for new players that couldn't keep up with the competent "competitive" clan war players that flooded their server. And that's some GunZ history that makes me feel really retarded for remembering and going into detail about in 2012.

So yeah, while it is theoretically possible that in all the years GunZ has lasted some quest players reached top-tier levels on the competitive side, the older players from back then consistently dominated PvP until headshoot took over about the time CW server population dropped.

TL;DR: The people who play D3 for hours on end and still worry about GunZ skill levels were always just huge nerds that have nothing better to do that sit in front of a computer and waste hours on something unproductive. But the GZF meme of looking down on questers started for the surprisingly complex answer above.

[HelioDoxies]

Favorite poster on GunZFactor. Thanks for the history lesson too.

[Energy]

i get a sick feeling in my stomach whenever i think of grinding it out on an mmo

i literally feel sick

its a disgusting way to spend your time

[GhettoGospeI]

Same here, i can only play a game that involves killing other players with guns and sh!t.

[Visualll]

gunz quest too repetitive gets boring after doing the same *** 2-3 times

[Gunszz]

You people might not know me but I am one of the best questers. (no ego)
For me, questing isn't about doing the same **** over and over again.
I am part of a questing community (or what is left of it) that tries to do new things, things that no one ever did before them. Now that is QUESTING.
Grinding the same quest for hours on end to gain more xp is not. That is PLVLING.
Please understand that there are plvlrs and skill questers that try real cool stuff that takes a hell lot of skill and practice.
So often have I seen people that claim to be pro cw'rs that can not even finish the tryout of my clan. (Dungeon 41 naked sword only or 65 naked solo)
You can make questing as hard and interesting as you want. You can go naked or sword only for example.
There is a lot of knowledge and skill to questing if you try to do new things or faster than ever before.
Every npc has it's own moves you need to know, every map its own tactics. And of course you need other tactics if you play sword only, solo, duo, team.

[smallpoo]

You people might not know me but I am one of the best questers. (no ego)
For me, questing isn't about doing the same **** over and over again.
I am part of a questing community (or what is left of it) that tries to do new things, things that no one ever did before them. Now that is QUESTING.
Grinding the same quest for hours on end to gain more xp is not. That is PLVLING.
Please understand that there are plvlrs and skill questers that try real cool stuff that takes a hell lot of skill and practice.
So often have I seen people that claim to be pro cw'rs that can not even finish the tryout of my clan. (Dungeon 41 naked sword only or 65 naked solo)
You can make questing as hard and interesting as you want. You can go naked or sword only for example.
There is a lot of knowledge and skill to questing if you try to do new things or faster than ever before.
Every npc has it's own moves you need to know, every map its own tactics. And of course you need other tactics if you play sword only, solo, duo, team.

I'm not gna lie mate but I've seen some of these naked sword videos or whatsoever and it might be hard but it still looks boring as fuark.
And movement and ability wise there's not so much skill involved its more experience in how the minions move and act rather than how good aim / movement is.
If you enjoy questing that's nothing I can bash on or do about but don't confuse the reality of how hard questing is.

[Gunszz]

I'm not gna lie mate but I've seen some of these naked sword videos or whatsoever and it might be hard but it still looks boring as fuark.
And movement and ability wise there's not so much skill involved its more experience in how the minions move and act rather than how good aim / movement is.
If you enjoy questing that's nothing I can bash on or do about but don't confuse the reality of how hard questing is.

Most of my sword only naked videos are lame as **** and I know it. But those are old and I do improve. I might do some more new ones in the summer. I have done Palmpow and lizzerdman naked sword only lately in a faster way. (not using those lame tactics, eventhough those also take a lot of concentration and knowledge of what boss will do..). You can find them in this forum section if interested. A good quester knows what he has to do to reach what he wants to reach. Fast k-style movement is often not needed. Not always though. Sometimes you do really need it. I just get annoyed when people think that quest is easy. Just because some pro ppl can make it look easy. I think that most cw'rs just can't stand it when they lose in questing. They think they can just rage on those npc like retards. But you need to think about what you are doing in quests. There is still things in quest that have never been done! I do not understand how it is more cool to play or even win a tourney than completing a quest in a way that no one was able to do before you.

Btw. What is D3?

[smallpoo]

Most of my sword only naked videos are lame as **** and I know it. But those are old and I do improve. I might do some more new ones in the summer. I have done Palmpow and lizzerdman naked sword only lately in a faster way. (not using those lame tactics, eventhough those also take a lot of concentration and knowledge of what boss will do..). You can find them in this forum section if interested. A good quester knows what he has to do to reach what he wants to reach. Fast k-style movement is often not needed. Not always though. Sometimes you do really need it. I just get annoyed when people think that quest is easy. Just because some pro ppl can make it look easy. I think that most cw'rs just can't stand it when they lose in questing. They think they can just rage on those npc like retards. But you need to think about what you are doing in quests. There is still things in quest that have never been done! I do not understand how it is more cool to play or even win a tourney than completing a quest in a way that no one was able to do before you.

Btw. What is D3?

D3= Diablo 3
I understand and respect that people quest and I know it's not easy. But to suggest you would feel like it's more cool to do a quest no ones done before than to win a tourney is just weird.
A quest is like figuring out a trick. One does not need true aim or true ability to move perfectly in any given situation. The person questing first needs to spend ages studying the movement and or behaviour of this boss and then just counter it. Not to mention the AI for npc in gunz is absolutely retarded. I doubt anyone started calling questing easy dumb or anything because they lost but just because they got bored of it so easily. Ofcourse if you've been questing for 1k hour and a cw'r comes and tries it he'll lose. But any slightly smart player won't blame the npc or the quest but just the lack of motivation to ever get good at it.
Not to mention that when you play player vs player you have the same abilities a nd the one that uses those the best will win, but when you play a boss this is not the case so it's always an unfair fight in one way or the other.

[BrightMoon]

diablo 3 not comparable to gunz, nuff said.

/thread closed.

---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 02:57 PM ----------

gunz quest too repetitive gets boring after doing the same *** 2-3 times

agree. if they had like an open world with big random bosses spawned in it with ammo refill locations etc it would've been way more fun. but that wouldn't fit in gunz at all.

[R0B3N]

ok here's the one and only truth

Questing is lame, it sucks, boring as fk it ruined Gunz and is the worst mode to be implemented in the game.
I just can't take seriously how he just said "good questers" and good long ways to complete a quest.
how to spend hours on a mode i get bored of in 10 seconds.

I'd actually prefer seeing quest deleted and rather see swappers and plvlers around than quest mode.
Quest mode wasn't there in iGunZ and it was a perfectly fine server.
All these questers don't know how to play the game and cba to learn it, they cry and ragequit because they get owned by other players. thus now they quit gunz or stick in quest.

when it was still igunz they either quit gunz or were forced to learn kstyle, which keeps the game going since more people will be in a learning process is easier fights for those who are more noob than others.
which leads to a circle that doesn't stop and gunz will be competitive and good.

TDM / DM / ASSASSINATION / CW in town and few other good maps for the win

Duel, Survival, Quest, Berserker, and maybe even training mode should probably be deleted for gunz to be successful and competitive again. also eu / na servers should be merged.

all lvl 25 prem sets, pmeds, arquebus, and maybe pio should be deleted as well
but we were talking about how quest sucked not how gunz could be active again but oh well wall of text bye now

[Gunszz]

D3= Diablo 3
I understand and respect that people quest and I know it's not easy. But to suggest you would feel like it's more cool to do a quest no ones done before than to win a tourney is just weird.
A quest is like figuring out a trick. One does not need true aim or true ability to move perfectly in any given situation. The person questing first needs to spend ages studying the movement and or behaviour of this boss and then just counter it. Not to mention the AI for npc in gunz is absolutely retarded. I doubt anyone started calling questing easy dumb or anything because they lost but just because they got bored of it so easily. Ofcourse if you've been questing for 1k hour and a cw'r comes and tries it he'll lose. But any slightly smart player won't blame the npc or the quest but just the lack of motivation to ever get good at it.
Not to mention that when you play player vs player you have the same abilities a nd the one that uses those the best will win, but when you play a boss this is not the case so it's always an unfair fight in one way or the other.

How is that weird. Many people won a tourney once. Being the only one that got something done seems cooler to me. I know there is not a very big community actually trying these things and therefore it might not be terribly hard to be amongst the best questers. I think that's a shame. Quest is different and not any more easy as cw. It's as hard as you wanna make it. It's not true that you would need less aim or less perfect motion in a quest. The better you do those the better you can quest, the more and harder things you can solo and the faster you can do them. You just have to set the goals for yourself on how and how fast you wanna try to finish it. Besides the aim and the k-style there is just way more to questing in my opinion. More tactics and more anticipating on npc. This can get really extreme in something like a prison 65 game. I would love to see a bigger questing community that actually has the main goal to break records. I also think that GM's should do more about questing events with actual prices. Or they could keep a list of all record achievements and give prices for anyone that brakes a record and has video proof for it. Why is cw always supported with tourneys and prices but quest isn't.

---------- Post added 06-22-2012 at 03:14 PM ----------

ok here's the one and only truth

Questing is lame, it sucks, boring as fk it ruined Gunz and is the worst mode to be implemented in the game.
I just can't take seriously how he just said "good questers" and good long ways to complete a quest.
how to spend hours on a mode i get bored of in 10 seconds.

I'd actually prefer seeing quest deleted and rather see swappers and plvlers around than quest mode.
Quest mode wasn't there in iGunZ and it was a perfectly fine server.
All these questers don't know how to play the game and cba to learn it, they cry and ragequit because they get owned by other players. thus now they quit gunz or stick in quest.

when it was still igunz they either quit gunz or were forced to learn kstyle, which keeps the game going since more people will be in a learning process is easier fights for those who are more noob than others.
which leads to a circle that doesn't stop and gunz will be competitive and good.

TDM / DM / ASSASSINATION / CW in town and few other good maps for the win

Duel, Survival, Quest, Berserker, and maybe even training mode should probably be deleted for gunz to be successful and competitive again. also eu / na servers should be merged.

all lvl 25 prem sets, pmeds, arquebus, and maybe pio should be deleted as well
but we were talking about how quest sucked not how gunz could be active again but oh well wall of text bye now

No argumentation and full of generalization. Thank you for no contribution to this discussion.

[R0B3N]

I contribute to GunZ not to bad gunz players playing Quest

[HelioDoxies]

Well the point was why do people have such a problem with others questing on GunZ when they no life the computer for 12 hours questing on another game. No one really cares if you like it or not.

[R0B3N]

the point is quest killed gunz, not just that I don't like it. quest should be deleted in order for gunz to either survive or revive.

[Vynrose]

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ifuainthavingfundontdoit

[smallpoo]

Well the point was why do people have such a problem with others questing on GunZ when they no life the computer for 12 hours questing on another game. No one really cares if you like it or not.

Just compare story line, graphics, gameplay and cinematics. Also alot of people have a nostalgia from either d1 or d2 and just play d3 because of that.
Questing in gunz and D3 are uncomparable. Questing in gunz is like questing in cs:s.

[Saiyan]

i get a sick feeling in my stomach whenever i think of grinding it out on an mmo

i literally feel sick

its a disgusting way to spend your time

This, pure agreement. The only way a mmorpg is fun is if you're hacking in pvp!

[Gunszz]

I contribute to GunZ not to bad gunz players playing Quest

Sure there a lot of bad questers. Just as there are a lot of bad pvp'rs. I don't just quest normally. I set my own goals. Hard ones that do take skill to complete. It's just bullcrap to say quest=noob. It's about how well you do it.

---------- Post added 06-23-2012 at 01:47 PM ----------

the point is quest killed gunz, not just that I don't like it. quest should be deleted in order for gunz to either survive or revive.

If quest killed gunz than it's probably true that a lot of people do like quest. You think gunz is about pvp because it used to be just that ages ago? I'm sure it is annoying for you that cw is dead but you don't have to blame quest for it. You think gunz would revive if you delete quest lol? Let's delete content and see if people will like the game better. Great idea. By the way, I probably hate skillless plvlrs as much as you do. You should just realize that not every quester is like that.

[R0B3N]

Either you don't read the things im saying right or you're just blind or dumb, no offense because I said:

most people play quest because they suck at GunZ "PVP" not because they like it so much, sure they start to like it when they do it all the time because its the only thing they can do.
New people or people that are too noob will be forced to either quit or go to quest before quest was here it was either quit or be forced to learn how to play gunz.

I didn't say CW is dead because Quest is here, I'm saying GunZ as in CW / TDM / DM / ASSASSINATION is dead AKA the whole game.

Saying quest killed gunz because ppl like quest so much is bs, people being lazy and noob ragequitting to quest because they don't want to spend time to learn how to get better killed gunz.

and u said "you think gunz is about pvp because it used to be just that ages ago?" yes gunz is about killing other players? hellooooo always been like that wtf.. I'd rather die and have 0-15 scores 24/7 to get better and get better scores later than saying YAY MISSION COMPLETE I HAZ KILLED A GOBLIN.

and at there are a lot of bad questers / pvper's ?

at least these "pvpers" attempt to get better and playing the game. unlike those other noobs hiding in quest because they suck at gunz.

[Gunszz]

Either you don't read the things im saying right or you're just blind or dumb, no offense because I said:

most people play quest because they suck at GunZ "PVP" not because they like it so much, sure they start to like it when they do it all the time because its the only thing they can do.
New people or people that are too noob will be forced to either quit or go to quest before quest was here it was either quit or be forced to learn how to play gunz.

I didn't say CW is dead because Quest is here, I'm saying GunZ as in CW / TDM / DM / ASSASSINATION is dead AKA the whole game.

Saying quest killed gunz because ppl like quest so much is bs, people being lazy and noob ragequitting to quest because they don't want to spend time to learn how to get better killed gunz.

and u said "you think gunz is about pvp because it used to be just that ages ago?" yes gunz is about killing other players? hellooooo always been like that wtf.. I'd rather die and have 0-15 scores 24/7 to get better and get better scores later than saying YAY MISSION COMPLETE I HAZ KILLED A GOBLIN.

and at there are a lot of bad questers / pvper's ?

at least these "pvpers" attempt to get better and playing the game. unlike those other noobs hiding in quest because they suck at gunz.

Learn to have a proper argument instead of just saying quest is noob. Quest is as much a part of gunz as pvp whether you like it or not. You are just being narrow minded thinking gunz is all about pvp just because that happens to be your comfort zone. The higher you set your goals in quest, the more skill it takes. Not that hard to understand. Show me a solo prison 65 if quest is so easy.

I am done with this argument, I have said everything I have to say in this and my previous posts.

[R0B3N]

Obviously I know how to have arguments or we wouldn't have this conversation, GunZ is all about pvp that's how it was made and ment to be, they just decided to implement quest later on which was a big mistake imo. I don't support "pvp" because it's my comfort zone.. its just that I don't support quest because its: useless, full of crap. "the higher you set your goals in quest the more skill it takes" if you want skill or set high goals learn how to pvp and go naked vs players? I don't see how you can brag or be glad with spending hours and hours to train for a silly mode like quest just so you can be proud about that you defeated some computer controlled goblins.

if it was any other game than GunZ I could understand you a bit, but GunZ was made and ment to be that way and since quest killed that and a huge factor in killing GunZ I disagree with this mode bigtime.

+ I never said quest was easy, I don't bother myself with it because I think the mode sucks and is stupid beyond words.

obviously you're done with the argument because you know I'm right and you tried everything to defend ur quester mode and status but failed.

[Rebellious]

As usual I agree with my ***** Gunszz, practicing really hard quests like prison 65 and soloing **** takes mad skill and can be fun, but the problem isn't with these questers because alot of them still know k style and can pvp decently. Also even though some quests are challenging they still do become repetitive later on once you learned how to do it multiple times. IMO pvp is always fresh n fun, fun to ego people even if you suck lol, can't ego a goblin.

<3 all ez