*shakes head* Seriously now

[Tsuteto]

Some of you might've seen me around playing in the past month. Guess what? Not anymore.

The game is, by all means, still fun to me. So are a good few of the players. It is somewhat time consuming, which is part of why I'm now officially resigning from the game. The other part is, of course, the community now.

Everyone has this, to me, false sense of how the game should be played. You have to use a shotgun, you have to use RS, you have to have a sword, and you can't flip. Those are the main things, otherwise you aren't really good by any means (save for a few rev players, me not included to a good few xD)

It really comes down to where everyone is just picky. They feel as if they're in the right, and everyone else is always the wrong. If they get killed, then they must prove something by "owning" the player the round after in which they're killed, and again, and then again, and always until either player leaves (or gets disconnected in ijji's case). No one is really in the game for the good environment, they're there to prove something insignificant for the realm in which they stand; pride.

Yeah yeah, I know, at about this point most people are going "tl;dr," but hey, that's cool, they just fit the ticket in a few cases. The problem isn't in GunZ itself, BTW. It's in all aspects of gaming. The other community I'm a part of is, of course, DDR/PIU/<other music-rhythm game here>. While it's not really present in the UtahDDR community (save for one who, thank goodness, doesn't post anymore because he felt he was too l33t for us all), it's present in the entire community of a whole. It disgusts me to quote this guy on a certain level, but he DOES have a valid point, which can be read here. Anything new does start of negatively, and in due time typically does become the norm and accepted, save for a few occasions. I'm fine with RS and whatnot, but when someone complains about being flipped, that is completely idiotic and is, by all means, unacceptable. There's no real honor in the game save for it being the prevention of a TK, or not killing someone right away if they're AFK. If you get flipped, you're screwed, yeah, but you shouldn't have, you know, been STANDING STILL for it to happen.

I dunno, does anyone else feel like that gaming, in a whole, is just going down the drain? Kinda puts a downer on my dream to run an arcade, the type of egos that might come in thinking they own the place when they don't even put two dollars in the machines when the visit from their own money because they're pestering little kids in giving them the quarter that their mother gave them.

Another thing, is everyone afraid of change THAT MUCH that they have to bash even the air that floats around the idea? Is everyone really that scared to realize that fact that as time goes by, things must change, that they cannot stand in a constant state until the end of mankind?

Basically, comes down to these four things:

-I'm quitting GunZ. Duh.
-Why is it that everyone forces their own personal opinion as fact almost constantly (save a few, of course)
-Is change really something to be that afraid of?
-Gaming: Going down the drain officially or just taking a turn on the road to a bumpy road?

I'll go back and answer some of these questions myself, but for now I want to gather opinions and views on these matters from others.

BTW, keep comments about me quitting here. This thread is more for the question I've placed.

[LordShaft]

the noobs got to ya huh?

[Tsuteto]

Originally Posted by LordShaft

the noobs got to ya huh?

There are people who are decent that even do it, when they have absolutely no reason to. They make it as if they're the best ones around, and should not die for any matter, even if they're AFK in a 15v1. The players who do not really attribute anything to their play I can ignore easy enough.

It's, like I said, the false sense of how the game should be played. It's another option that is given to all. If a tournament stated that I could not use revs, then I would not, but in a free play environment, I'm allowed to play however I want, and people should not be surprised by such a thing.

[Mo Hawk]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

If a tournament stated that I could not use revs, then I would not, but in a free play environment, I'm allowed to play however I want, and people should not be surprised by such a thing.

it is exceptable for them to be surprised but rude not so much.

[LordShaft]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

There are people who are decent that even do it, when they have absolutely no reason to. They make it as if they're the best ones around, and should not die for any matter, even if they're AFK in a 15v1. The players who do not really attribute anything to their play I can ignore easy enough

i call them noobs

>.>


so the noobs got to ya right?

[Tsuteto]

Originally Posted by LordShaft

i call them noobs

>.>


so the noobs got to ya right?

You're done. Either contribute something COMPLETELY worthwhile or GTFO.

[Hymnosi]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

Some of you might've seen me around playing in the past month. Guess what? Not anymore.

Maybe once? lol

The game is, by all means, still fun to me. So are a good few of the players. It is somewhat time consuming, which is part of why I'm now officially resigning from the game. The other part is, of course, the community now.

You'll come crawling back like a half dead frog to a pond. Wow thats a terrible analogy, but I'll run with it. Game is hard to quit >_> too unique to find elsewhere.

Everyone has this, to me, false sense of how the game should be played. You have to use a shotgun, you have to use RS, you have to have a sword, and you can't flip. Those are the main things, otherwise you aren't really good by any means (save for a few rev players, me not included to a good few xD)

I disagree, but probably because I'm more like you than them. I have always said I respect the player who seriously uses a spray weapon over shotguns or revolvers, just because its a harder way to play. Except flipping (which I'm assuming you mean flipshots and not flip into hell kinda thing), all of those other things are just assumed because its the "strongest" way to play, which I also disagree with, but its what people think anyways.

It really comes down to where everyone is just picky. They feel as if they're in the right, and everyone else is always the wrong. If they get killed, then they must prove something by "owning" the player the round after in which they're killed, and again, and then again, and always until either player leaves (or gets disconnected in ijji's case).

I'm guilty of this, but not for the reason you state. I hunt the last person who killed me to teach them a lesson, or at least, to make them notice me. It's more of a selfish want than a pride issue, its just something I do subconsciously.

Yeah yeah, I know, at about this point most people are going "tl;dr," but hey, that's cool, they just fit the ticket in a few cases. The problem isn't in GunZ itself, BTW. It's in all aspects of gaming. The other community I'm a part of is, of course, DDR/PIU/<other music-rhythm game here>. While it's not really present in the UtahDDR community (save for one who, thank goodness, doesn't post anymore because he felt he was too l33t for us all), it's present in the entire community of a whole. It disgusts me to quote this guy on a certain level, but he DOES have a valid point, which can be read here.

All forms of competition contain some jealousy and fictitious rage. Most people can't cope with this and quit, which is why you see the decline in k-stylers and the rise of the questers.

Anything new does start of negatively, and in due time typically does become the norm and accepted, save for a few occasions. I'm fine with RS and whatnot, but when someone complains about being flipped, that is completely idiotic and is, by all means, unacceptable.

I disagree with you on this. Flipping is by no means illegal to use, nor will I deter people from using it, but I do think lesser of people who resort to using cheap tricks to replace what used to be called skill. The fact that you can repeatedly uppercut and disable an opponent, to the point where you can kill them from full life is completely broken. In the side scrolling fighter games, these are called infinite juggles and during the play testing state of development, developers tend to try to remove as many of these as possible before release, to... you know, make the game enjoyable.

There's no real honor in the game save for it being the prevention of a TK, or not killing someone right away if they're AFK. If you get flipped, you're screwed, yeah, but you shouldn't have, you know, been STANDING STILL for it to happen.

I can flip you no matter what your doing, unless your back peddling completely with more than 30 lag. It's not a hard process, and I can completely destroy people without a second thought with it. The only counter to being flipped repeatedly is teamwork, and guess what, your not always on a team in gunz.

I dunno, does anyone else feel like that gaming, in a whole, is just going down the drain? Kinda puts a downer on my dream to run an arcade, the type of egos that might come in thinking they own the place when they don't even put two dollars in the machines when the visit from their own money because they're pestering little kids in giving them the quarter that their mother gave them.

I also had a dream of running, not an arcade, but a internet cafe/console arcade. It's still possible, but due to the inclination of computers, its much harder to do. Internet gaming is, yes, going to ****, and thats fine with me. I hope that developers will learn to put more communicative properties in their games to allow more people to get along than fight. WoW did this by making a racial language barrier between the warring factions, and that game has 10 million players. Lawl.

Another thing, is everyone afraid of change THAT MUCH that they have to bash even the air that floats around the idea? Is everyone really that scared to realize that fact that as time goes by, things must change, that they cannot stand in a constant state until the end of mankind?

Can't disagree with you here, I tried improving the system that styles were built on, got flamed and taunted for doing it, repeatedly, by people that I thought were my friends. Kinda funny in the long run, the style system I came up with still applies today in every day gameplay. Too bad people are to blind and stupid to see it.

[Tsuteto]

Originally Posted by Hymn

<post here>

Thanks for the contribution mate.

Originally Posted by Hymn

Can't disagree with you here, I tried improving the system that styles were built on, got flamed and taunted for doing it, repeatedly, by people that I thought were my friends. Kinda funny in the long run, the style system I came up with still applies today in every day gameplay. Too bad people are to blind and stupid to see it.

And what is this style system? I missed it, I think.

BTW, no, I will not be returning in full. I leave for a mission in three months (if all goes to plan) and, well, no gaming, just the Lord's work.

[LordShaft]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

You're done. Either contribute something COMPLETELY worthwhile or GTFO.

does it REALLY matter, you quit >.>

[Tsuteto]

This isn't about GunZ specifically, if you didn't catch that. It's much more broader than that.

[Hymnosi]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

Thanks for the contribution mate.



And what is this style system? I missed it, I think.

GunZ: Aspects of Advanced Gameplay
I deleted the original but I had originally labeled the styles as
Fire
Water
Earth and
Air
(actually, someone else did, I just ran with it)

Fire - Offensive Ranged - Pretty simple, attacks at range at a rapid pace intended to overthrow the enemy instead of using defense to win.

Air - Defensive Ranged - It's really hard to say exactly why Air exists in this game. Some believe that its only available because lag exists, but I believe its still possible to do without lag. Its just the art of dodging, then attacking when your opponent is off guard or even unaware. Faster than average, etc.

Water - Offensive Melee - The term melee is very misleading, it just means melee range in this case. You can still use guns and consider yourself to be offensive melee. In gunz, its the concept of using slashshot to attack enemies at close range, as well as butterfly and other moves to keep them stunned.

Earth - Defensive Melee - Again, misleading. Earth is more about stunning your opponent with block or uppercut, then taking advantage of their weakened state.


As you can see, I believe these "Styles" cover every aspect of gunz in some way or another. The problem was... they used elements to describe them. That link up there was me redoing it so that it was a little bit more sciency, to see if anyone would bite a little harder that time, but alas, only a few cheers, and more flames.

BTW, no, I will not be returning in full. I leave for a mission in three months (if all goes to plan) and, well, no gaming, just the Lord's work.

Man, I thought you would be too intelligent to believe in main stream religion, no offense to you. What religion do you belong to might I ask?

[Dakantos]

Well The again tsuteto, if what you are saying is true, aren't you guilty of the same charge? Because you have a view too, about how the game should be played without all the ego, and with flipping etc. I'm 100% certain that at some point, somewhere, you called someone out on it. Keep in Tsu, I agree with you 230% on everything you posted, but more and more its becoming less and less a pastime, and more and more a "sport", if you catch my drift.

We are looking at the good old days when you played only for fun. The most competition ever was getting your name into the high scores on Galaga or Pacman, and thats just not around anymore.

I'd love to see the arcades come back, but I doubt it will happen. I'd love to see things the way they used to be. The only way you could accomplish something like that, would to be to start a community around a game, that has no ego. With people that couldn't give a damn about ranking more or less. And sure, you could hold out for while, but eventually it would go to pot. Is it because of the people? partly. is it because of the games? yes. Very yes.

Name me a single game, that does not have a scoring system, ranking, or any type of competition. And I'll show you a) a game that had poor sales. b) a game that no longer exists period..


Even Final fantasy, there are competitions for the "perfect save file" for bragging rights to have found every monster, killed them in triplicate, talked to every person, found every secret, collected one of every item, shortest time, lowest level completion, lvl capped, etc etc etc.

In part its the type of game. Because everything revolves around competing now. And in part, the type of people that play those types of games.





I'm sorry to see you say you quit Tsu, over someone else's viewpoints, rather than your own.

[Tsuteto]

Originally Posted by Hymn

GunZ: Aspects of Advanced Gameplay
I deleted the original but I had originally labeled the styles as
Fire
Water
Earth and
Air
(actually, someone else did, I just ran with it)

Fire - Offensive Ranged - Pretty simple, attacks at range at a rapid pace intended to overthrow the enemy instead of using defense to win.

Air - Defensive Ranged - It's really hard to say exactly why Air exists in this game. Some believe that its only available because lag exists, but I believe its still possible to do without lag. Its just the art of dodging, then attacking when your opponent is off guard or even unaware. Faster than average, etc.

Water - Offensive Melee - The term melee is very misleading, it just means melee range in this case. You can still use guns and consider yourself to be offensive melee. In gunz, its the concept of using slashshot to attack enemies at close range, as well as butterfly and other moves to keep them stunned.

Earth - Defensive Melee - Again, misleading. Earth is more about stunning your opponent with block or uppercut, then taking advantage of their weakened state.


As you can see, I believe these "Styles" cover every aspect of gunz in some way or another. The problem was... they used elements to describe them. That link up there was me redoing it so that it was a little bit more sciency, to see if anyone would bite a little harder that time, but alas, only a few cheers, and more flames.


Man, I thought you would be too intelligent to believe in main stream religion, no offense to you. What religion do you belong to might I ask?

Interesting, very interesting on the new styles. I'd agree with them, but they would need something more... name worthy, I guess XD (If anything, I'd be air, is my guess)

And LDS (or mormon, yet LDS is more proper). Intelligence only goes so far. The thing that I do know is that I have no happiness with intelligence alone. I mean, hey, sure, say the whole spiel if you want about how it's all fake, in the end I'm still happy with the choice, which is good enough for me. I'd rather have happiness than misery ^^

Originally Posted by Dakantos

Well The again tsuteto, if what you are saying is true, aren't you guilty of the same charge? Because you have a view too, about how the game should be played without all the ego, and with flipping etc. I'm 100% certain that at some point, somewhere, you called someone out on it. Keep in Tsu, I agree with you 230% on everything you posted, but more and more its becoming less and less a pastime, and more and more a "sport", if you catch my drift.

We are looking at the good old days when you played only for fun. The most competition ever was getting your name into the high scores on Galaga or Pacman, and thats just not around anymore.

I'd love to see the arcades come back, but I doubt it will happen. I'd love to see things the way they used to be. The only way you could accomplish something like that, would to be to start a community around a game, that has no ego. With people that couldn't give a damn about ranking more or less. And sure, you could hold out for while, but eventually it would go to pot. Is it because of the people? partly. is it because of the games? yes. Very yes.

Name me a single game, that does not have a scoring system, ranking, or any type of competition. And I'll show you a) a game that had poor sales. b) a game that no longer exists period..


Even Final fantasy, there are competitions for the "perfect save file" for bragging rights to have found every monster, killed them in triplicate, talked to every person, found every secret, collected one of every item, shortest time, lowest level completion, lvl capped, etc etc etc.

In part its the type of game. Because everything revolves around competing now. And in part, the type of people that play those types of games.





I'm sorry to see you say you quit Tsu, over someone else's viewpoints, rather than your own.

Aye, that I am. The difference that I know is that I'm willing to incorporate the whole thing, rather than limit myself to a certain standard. That at least allows me to be more acceptable of other people's opinions, rather than only those who share my own.

As for the games, it's true, there is the competitive aspect in all. The only thing that I know in which there is more fun involved than competing is freestyling on Pump It Up. While some make a huge deal if they don't win, the overall presentation is entertaining, not tense (until the deciding factor XD)

As for my quitting, it's a thing of I don't want to be bringing in a different aspect of competing for something that shouldn't be as competitive in the first place.

[Dakantos]

Originally Posted by Tsuteto

Aye, that I am. The difference that I know is that I'm willing to incorporate the whole thing, rather than limit myself to a certain standard. That at least allows me to be more acceptable of other people's opinions, rather than only those who share my own.

Ok, Fair enough.

As for the games, it's true, there is the competitive aspect in all. The only thing that I know in which there is more fun involved than competing is freestyling on Pump It Up. While some make a huge deal if they don't win, the overall presentation is entertaining, not tense (until the deciding factor XD)

Fair enough.

As for my quitting, it's a thing of I don't want to be bringing in a different aspect of competing for something that shouldn't be as competitive in the first place.

If that is the case, why are you the one competing then? Even if everyone else around you is competing, it doesn't mean you have to.

Seriously. Sometimes I go into Gunz games, without any melee, on maps with nice large pits, and spray the hell out of everyone. I usually do fairly well. The fact is, everyone gets pissed at me, or laughs their ass off, but while they are fuming, im the one having fun. Who cares what they say, or what they think? If they want to take something that is supposed to be enjoyable, and run it through a meat grinder, let them. I'm going to have fun regardless, because even if they are competing, I am not. So regardless, I ALWAYS win. Because I got what I wanted out of the game.

[Tsuteto]

Originally Posted by Dakantos

If that is the case, why are you the one competing then? Even if everyone else around you is competing, it doesn't mean you have to.

Seriously. Sometimes I go into Gunz games, without any melee, on maps with nice large pits, and spray the hell out of everyone. I usually do fairly well. The fact is, everyone gets pissed at me, or laughs their ass off, but while they are fuming, im the one having fun. Who cares what they say, or what they think? If they want to take something that is supposed to be enjoyable, and run it through a meat grinder, let them. I'm going to have fun regardless, because even if they are competing, I am not. So regardless, I ALWAYS win. Because I got what I wanted out of the game.

And I believe this goes back to belief, but not on the aspects of the game.

You're having fun just playing around, doing what you want. I find more fun in interacting with the person, compared to playing it merely how I want to. There's always a ton that you can find out for your personal knowledge, even if it contributes nothing to your life, from another person. Just playing around is fine and dandy and all, to me it's just a step to the conversing ^^