new computer, opinions?

[Aztec]

^ I'd go with Kustomize's build. Normally wouldn't recommend PC2 8500 ram, but seeing as there's a mail in rebate it seems like an okay deal. So yeah. Stick with this build. Don't use SLI.

Maybe buy a 4870 instead of a 4850 if you can spend a tiny bit more.

[AngelicXx]

Originally Posted by Kustomize

I will drop in my few cents, gimme your budget, also if you plan on using SLI motherboards (2 video cards).

And also if your going to Overclock.
DDR3 Ram is worthless, sorry, it's definitely not worth the price, unless you can get it for 100 dollars or under, thats for 4 GB btw.
Core 2 Duo's are indeed faster then Quad Cores for GAMING, but, the newer upcoming games, use all FOUR cores of a Quad Core, so in the future, Quad's will be a lot better for gaming/application wise.
Yes, get a Quad, it's more future proof.
Give me your budget, your CPU is good, but you could go with the Q6600 and it wouldn't hurt much man, I personally don't think that processor is worth all that difference of price, that CPU doesn't heat as much, but REMEMBER, if you overclock, you CAN'T push it as much. My Q6700 stays on 4GHZ from 2.66 on AIR, no water cooling, just an air xigmatek fan. Tems aren't that bad either, they fiddle around 50-55 when gaming, which is damn good.

Your video card is good, consider the 9800GTX+, since it's made for a competition against the 4850 and the 4850 rapes the 9800GTX, so yeah, get the 9800GTX+, also, get an EVGA video card, life time warranty, step up program (you give them your current card within 3 months and they give you a new card of your choice!), you can fuc up your video card overclocking, they send you a new one! I fried my 8800GT and they sent me a replacement within 14 Days!



PM me if you need more info, I will check this thread time to time.

Nope not planning on SLI, don't have a real budget at the moment.
DDR3 is incredibly worth it, going from 800 to 1600 is a huge boost.

The CPU is running faster and at a higher base GHz than the Q6600.
The Q6600 only runs at 1033Mhz, while the Q9550 runs at 1333Mhz
The base of course also at 2.83 vs 2.4 Ghz respectively. Reviewing the motherboard the Q6600 is just not fit, it runs to slow. The FSB is just too slow.

Honestly, I think I could push it that much. The Case has dual 12mm fans and I have a special heatsink designed to keep quad cores extremely chill.

Two of my friends have both had BAD BAD experiences with EVGA, so honestly I couldn't bring myself to get one. I am trying Zoltec, which has incredibly good rep, selling overclocked video cards. The price jump from the 9800GTX and the 9800GTX+ is just insane. Like 200+ dollars more. I could just buy another 9800GTX and SLI it, though I don't want to since no game could really take advantage of all of that graphics.

Originally Posted by jappeX

Woow..

Q9550 is alright, just get a proper cooler like Xigmatek HDT-S1283.

Geforce, jajajaja........ go with ATI HD4870. Or HD4870 x2 if you have money to spend.

Go with a cheaper motherboard, like P45 or P5Q Pro. Change the RAM to 4GB of 800mzh DDR2, DDR3 is not worth it.

If you need a new hdd go with the WD640 , if you don't, alright..

Any DVD/CD drive is fine. Go with a random samsung.

As for the monitor, pretty much any 2ms should do.. Try to avoid the Samsung Pebble ones.

Vista 64bit would be good for OS.

Case+PSU.. well.. Antec P182 and Corsair TX520W (Corsair TX650 if HD4870 x2) should do.

I have a very very good heatsink, im good for the CPU cooling. Yeah.. I currently have 4 gigs of XMS2 Corsair Ram and its not cutting it.

The monitor is a monster:

10,000:1 Contrast
2MS
22 inch
1680x1050 native resolution
65~75 Refresh rate

[AngelicXx]

Originally Posted by Aztec

^ I'd go with Kustomize's build. Normally wouldn't recommend PC2 8500 ram, but seeing as there's a mail in rebate it seems like an okay deal. So yeah. Stick with this build. Don't use SLI.

Maybe buy a 4870 instead of a 4850 if you can spend a tiny bit more.

or I can get PC3 12800 RAM lol

[Kustomize]

Originally Posted by AngelicXx

Nope not planning on SLI, don't have a real budget at the moment.
DDR3 is incredibly worth it, going from 800 to 1600 is a huge boost.

The CPU is running faster and at a higher base GHz than the Q6600.
The Q6600 only runs at 1033Mhz, while the Q9550 runs at 1333Mhz
The base of course also at 2.83 vs 2.4 Ghz respectively. Reviewing the motherboard the Q6600 is just not fit, it runs to slow. The FSB is just too slow.

Honestly, I think I could push it that much. The Case has dual 12mm fans and I have a special heatsink designed to keep quad cores extremely chill.

Two of my friends have both had BAD BAD experiences with EVGA, so honestly I couldn't bring myself to get one. I am trying Zoltec, which has incredibly good rep, selling overclocked video cards. The price jump from the 9800GTX and the 9800GTX+ is just insane. Like 200+ dollars more. I could just buy another 9800GTX and SLI it, though I don't want to since no game could really take advantage of all of that graphics.


I have a very very good heatsink, im good for the CPU cooling. Yeah.. I currently have 4 gigs of XMS2 Corsair Ram and its not cutting it.

The monitor is a monster:

10,000:1 Contrast
2MS
22 inch
1680x1050 native resolution
65~75 Refresh rate

Woooahhh, don't take FSB so serious, go into your bios change your's to 1333 and BAM, you got the same FSB, 2.4 GHZ vs 2.9 is really no difference, I could get the Q6600 @ 2.99 GHZ, with 1333 FSB, therefore it would be beating the Q9550 if you want to think of it your way, which I am sorry to say, shouldn't be what you should compare.


DDR3 Memories are JUNK, if you got a lot of cash to waste, DDR3 is your best bet -_-

Dude, wtf, 9800GTX+ is around $179, and the 9800GTX, is around the same price, so wtf do you mean there is a difference of 200+? Thinking about some other crap here buddy.


EVGA has to be the BEST, if your in USA specially, I am Canadian, and I got no complaints at all, they sent me a brand new video card, when I fried mine overclocking, without any charges.

I am not talking about how cool your case needs to be, I am just stating overall, that processor, is a 45nm I believe, it means, it doesn't heat-up as much as the 65nm's, and it takes less voltage, with means it won't be pushed as much, let's say we had two processors both at 3 GHZ, one was 65nm (like the Q6600), and one was 45nm (like the Q9550), both being at 3 GHZ, the 65nm will overclock over let's say 5 GHZ, the 45nm would have a hard time hitting even 4.5-4.8 GHZ, like, it would literally cry to death, just tryna get over 4 GHZ.


Other then that, it's a good processor, lovely cache size.

[Hermes¡¢]

Listen to Kustomize, he knows what he is talking about. DDR3 shows a very slight performance over DDR2 RAM. In the end, it isn't worth the performance gain.

[AngelicXx]

Originally Posted by Kustomize

Woooahhh, don't take FSB so serious, go into your bios change your's to 1333 and BAM, you got the same FSB, 2.4 GHZ vs 2.9 is really no difference, I could get the Q6600 @ 2.99 GHZ, with 1333 FSB, therefore it would be beating the Q9550 if you want to think of it your way, which I am sorry to say, shouldn't be what you should compare.


DDR3 Memories are JUNK, if you got a lot of cash to waste, DDR3 is your best bet -_-

Dude, wtf, 9800GTX+ is around $179, and the 9800GTX, is around the same price, so wtf do you mean there is a difference of 200+? Thinking about some other crap here buddy.


EVGA has to be the BEST, if your in USA specially, I am Canadian, and I got no complaints at all, they sent me a brand new video card, when I fried mine overclocking, without any charges.

I am not talking about how cool your case needs to be, I am just stating overall, that processor, is a 45nm I believe, it means, it doesn't heat-up as much as the 65nm's, and it takes less voltage, with means it won't be pushed as much, let's say we had two processors both at 3 GHZ, one was 65nm (like the Q6600), and one was 45nm (like the Q9550), both being at 3 GHZ, the 65nm will overclock over let's say 5 GHZ, the 45nm would have a hard time hitting even 4.5-4.8 GHZ, like, it would literally cry to death, just tryna get over 4 GHZ.


Other then that, it's a good processor, lovely cache size.

Sorry man but DDR3 Ram is in my opinion worth it because it just shoots past DDR2 easily. The timing on the RAM is very very nice and the Mhz is double.
I will add right now that I use several heavy rendering program which all comes out of the mix of CPU and RAM, having the fastest is a must. Also DDR2 will quickly become out dated easily, which lets me smooth into the future.

Yeah, thought you meant the GTX2 series. I did upgrade to a GTX+ after reviewing the prices, I honestly did not see them for whatever reason.

I am sorry but from experiences EVGA is not a top brand for me.
I usually buy MSI because they are just so goddamn reliable.

[exessity]

Originally Posted by AngelicXx

Sorry man but DDR3 Ram is in my opinion worth it because it just shoots past DDR2 easily. The timing on the RAM is very very nice and the Mhz is double.

Thats just bull**** man, go and look some benchmarks, and then you will see that ddr3-1600 mhz gives like 3-6 % more memory performance than ddr2-800mhz, (with new c2d /c2q stock), if your gona overclock heavily, atmost you should get ddr2-1066. ddr3 is still not worth it. But hey if you are that stypid, go ahead and buy ddr3.

[Aztec]

Yeah, Angelic you're a big big idiot. Go. Waste your money. You can get the same performance from a computer that is half the price.

Your monitor is not a beast. It's the average monitor that everyone is buying now.

A faster FSB is only useful for overclocking, since you can use a lower multiplier. Listen to Kustomize.

DDR3 is not worth it. If you think it is, buy it and stop asking for our opinions.

[AngelicXx]

Originally Posted by Aztec

Yeah, Angelic you're a big big idiot. Go. Waste your money. You can get the same performance from a computer that is half the price.

Your monitor is not a beast. It's the average monitor that everyone is buying now.

A faster FSB is only useful for overclocking, since you can use a lower multiplier. Listen to Kustomize.

DDR3 is not worth it. If you think it is, buy it and stop asking for our opinions.

wow are you seriously stating that everybody is buying 10,000:1 contrast 2ms monitors now?

and yes, I am planning to overclock that is why the FSB is very important to me

MB only supports DDR3, and I might as well get some of the best.

[exessity]

Originally Posted by AngelicXx

wow are you seriously stating that everybody is buying 10,000:1 contrast 2ms monitors now?

Those are just made up details, so it can read whatver you want, resolution isn't made up detail, so judging by only detail you gave (your resolution) your monitor sucks

[exessity]

Originally Posted by AngelicXx

and yes, I am planning to overclock that is why the FSB is very important to me

MB only supports DDR3, and I might as well get some of the best.

I feel like im with stupid here :/ It still doesn't give you any boost on performance. No. And exactly becouse that motherboard would only support ddr3 you are not gona get it. (also its overpriced too)

[Aztec]

Everyone is buying good monitors, yes. It's not THAT much more for a good one.

Anyways, guise. Let Angelic buy his own ****. He's too stubborn to listen anyway.

[AngelicXx]

Originally Posted by exessity

Those are just made up details, so it can read whatver you want, resolution isn't made up detail, so judging by only detail you gave (your resolution) your monitor sucks

Wow you honestly think i would make up details?

Display
Screen Size 22"
Widescreen Yes
Recommended Resolution 1680 x 1050
Viewing Angle 170°(H) / 170°(V)
Display Colors 16.7 Million
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 10000:1
Response Time 2ms
Horizontal Refresh Rate 30 - 83kHz
Vertical Refresh Rate 56 - 75Hz

Originally Posted by exessity

I feel like im with stupid here :/ It still doesn't give you any boost on performance. No. And exactly becouse that motherboard would only support ddr3 you are not gona get it. (also its overpriced too)

I am done arguing DDR2 vs DDR3.



I have more money to spend on this computer, so I honestly don't have a real budget. I did not come here to start the debate of DDR2 vs DDR3. I think 3 is better, and at the moment any % of increase in performance helps.

Please lets try to keep the tone down and continue in a friendly manner.

[SilvaWarrior]

Originally Posted by AngelicXx

... are you serious?

Most games right now support only dual core but that will change in the coming years, anyways quad core is much better in multi-tasking

the quad core I got with my alienware easily ran crysis at full settings

my setup is :

Intel Quad Core Q9650
NVIDIA GEforce 9800 gt x2
Nforce 680i sli motherboard
5 Gb ram
20 Inch samsung moniter
250 gb harddrive x2
Razer Taruntulla keyboard
1000 watt power supply (need it for better overclock(

[Kustomize]

I lol'ed super hard when I read Angelic's post arguing why DDR3 is better, because it has better timings, LOL.


DDR3 timings start at like 9-9-9-24 @ lets say 1333 MHZ
Put that against DDR2 - where you could get 5-5-5-15 @ 1005 MHZ (that's my memory, stock at 4-4-4-15 @ 800 MHZ).
And yes, the lower the timings, the better, so you comparing timings, was worthless, roflmfao gave me a pro laugh.

If you just wanted to waste cash, waste it on something that the cash would be worth it even a little.

Like, get some cool sht for your case, or just spend more on the Video Card, will give you a much better performance in gaming, if your not into any sort of programing, you don't even need to worry about Memory, as it doesn't do much at all when gaming, it's mostly always the Video card, memory does help, not a lot. But since you are, that is completely upto you, I don't see why you need to waste 100 bucks so you don't have to wait 4 more seconds rofl.

Get a good mobo, waste cash on that, but pls, dont waste 100+ on DDR3, i will literally feel sorry for you and cry to death my friend.


And the post above me, you bought a 1000 watt power supply for better overclocking? LOL.

Nice build btw, could of gotten way better Video Cards, still not bad.