T-Style: A guide?

[Mo Hawk]

turtle = tatic not guide.

[Xeno]

turtle is using one button yes.. but good turtlers know how to block from all angles. its not a style as such but its good for when u cant be assed and need ez win

[1000cranes]

Don't call it "T-style". Regardless how many tactics can revolve around turtling, it's still not a new style.

[FallenShadow65]

i dont get it why write a guide on just how to do one techince sounds like a waste of time to me

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

Don't call it "T-style". Regardless how many tactics can revolve around turtling, it's still not a new style.

Well for a start, it's nothing knew to call it T-style. A few years ago this was a common term to reffer to turtlers and just about anyone who used insta/juggles.

Secondly, as i have already stated it's not a style in the sence that K-style is a style. However it is still a style of play, a primarily defensive style of play. A lot of people get far to stuck on the definition of style that applies to gunz only. I'n the true definition of style (as in the dictionary definition), there is no reason that T-style is not a style.

Originally Posted by FallenShadow65

i dont get it why write a guide on just how to do one techince sounds like a waste of time to me

I don't believe that it is just one technique. Its not even just techniques that use the block button. It's any technique that can be applied in a defensive manner.

It's been quite interesting to see the different responces to this suggestion. I've already recieverd both +rep and -rep over it. I'm gonna go ahead and work on a guide just to see if people find it useful or it convinces people.

[FallenShadow65]

I don't believe that it is just one technique. Its not even just techniques that use the block button. It's any technique that can be applied in a defensive manner.

It's been quite interesting to see the different responces to this suggestion. I've already recieverd both +rep and -rep over it. I'm gonna go ahead and work on a guide just to see if people find it useful or it convinces people.

humm ok im still not convinced that its a style rather muiltapule block technique witch dosnt sute my understanding of turtle, holding down block or relising and putting back on constley or just occauslie to reduce vonrability then running round looking for an opitunity to atk but thats just me so i look forword to you proving me wrong

[1000cranes]

Originally Posted by An Amateur

Well for a start, it's nothing knew to call it T-style. A few years ago this was a common term to reffer to turtlers and just about anyone who used insta/juggles.


Secondly, as i have already stated it's not a style in the sence that K-style is a style. However it is still a style of play, a primarily defensive style of play. A lot of people get far to stuck on the definition of style that applies to gunz only. I'n the true definition of style (as in the dictionary definition), there is no reason that T-style is not a style.

The current definition of a style at gzf is:A set of glitches done with a specific melee weapon in order to decrease delay and perform actions at a faster rate.

The moves that go along with turtling are under k style, (block rush, angle block, mirror, drift massive, void block, etc...).
It's pretty much a consensus here that you can't name any style of play, or tactics/strategies and call it ____-style. Once you start doing that, it gets needlessly complicated, which defeats the purpose of classifying things under a category (a style in this case) in the first place.


@a crapload of other people
A guide isn't pointless, since turtling in general isn't exactly fast. If you use it, chances are you'll have to make up for the lack of speed with tactics, control, and timing. In some situations, it IS useful, and there IS a lot more to it than simply sitting there blocking.
Now yes, you are "Turtling" if you just stand still and hold block. But then again, you're also technically a k-styler if you barely manage a light step. Same thing.
Also, simply because someone writes a guide on how to mix it into your own personal style of play doesn't mean you ABSOLUTELY MUST USE IT, no one is going to force you to read the guide or start using the tactic. However, it never hurts to know a few things about it, even if you only use it sparingly.

[Blindside]

So basically you plan on creating this guide for the same reason you turtle ingame; you're annoying and defensive?

[Deviok•]

Any type of "style" revolving around the use of a sword should just be considered a gladiator sub-style; there's tons of them. It's not to be listed next to the elemental styles of K,D, and E.

[Deviok•]

1000Cranes sounds much more pro than he really is ;p

[Reload]

Buy a turtle and tell yourself if it's a style.

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

The current definition of a style at gzf is:A set of glitches done with a specific melee weapon in order to decrease delay and perform actions at a faster rate.

It's pretty much a consensus here that you can't name any style of play, or tactics/strategies and call it ____-style. Once you start doing that, it gets needlessly complicated, which defeats the purpose of classifying things under a category (a style in this case) in the first place.

So perhaps when I make the guide I should simply call it "Turtling: A Guide" Or something similar?

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

Also, simply because someone writes a guide on how to mix it into your own personal style of play doesn't mean you ABSOLUTELY MUST USE IT, no one is going to force you to read the guide or start using the tactic.

In the end though, in the true English sense of the word, "style", turtling could still be considered a style. This is why I called it a sub-style. IMO explaining that there are different uses of style and that there are "sub-styles" might make things less complicated because when you start talking in any depth about certain ways of playing you can't really avoid the word style, even you used it.

Also if that is the current definition of a style here, where do moves like RS, YoYo etc fall? The require niether a specific melee weapon nor a melee weapon at all. However I guess that is a different debate, I just felt it worth making the point.

+ REP

Originally Posted by Blindside

So basically you plan on creating this guide for the same reason you turtle ingame; you're annoying and defensive?

I turtle in game because it works OH so often, being annoying is just a side effect. I plan on making the guide because, there isn't one, I want to share, I want to see if turtling can stand on its own merits once people realises its not just standing around holding block AND because im annoying and defensive.

Originally Posted by Reload

Buy a turtle and tell yourself if it's a style.

Only if I can have a teanage mutant ninja turtle! They got style! <3

[Deviok•]

You took all that time to respond to those other guys responses and not mine? Just look at it this way. Both gunning and gladiator have their own set of styles. K, E, D, and H belong to gunning. And gladiator has Turtling style and that sorta stuff, except you don't really call it that, but you can if you want.

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by Deviok•

You took all that time to respond to those other guys responses and not mine? Just look at it this way. Both gunning and gladiator have their own set of styles. K, E, D, and H belong to gunning. And gladiator has Turtling style and that sorta stuff, except you don't really call it that, but you can if you want.

Sorry its not that I was ignoring you. I just thought that the other posts seemed to have raised similar points. Thanks for agreeing that it is a sub-style though ^^.

Turtling may be primarily a gladiator style however I was just playing in some castle TDM's today, my score was 20:4 which is about fairly good for me. It's a fact that most of all I did was turtle to get point blanks etc, so i guess what im saying is that it has its uses even in gun matches. If anything, k-stylers are more likely to give you a massive and get stunned in gun fights since they never expect it. If I can do that without trying then I think its wrong to say that it only has a place in gladiator matchs.

[DRUSS]

OMG wow, if you call someone a noob thats blocking alot and you cant see that when they are constantly blocking to have a different move to counter there so called turtle, which should never be called t style btw, and you die because you dont know how to stop it, then you sir are the noob, it just means the person that is turtling is too lazy to move around, and knows that you suck that much for him to try at all i rest my case