Death Penalty debate~

[KlNETIC]

if u kill someone you need to die no excuses no bullsht, its that simple

[Atropos]

I didn't post that pic because I am like that, it's just the first pic I found when I googled "Cheese funny"

[shintenzu]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

This is unfair... Sinjihn is the only anti-death penalty person here.

Lol I guess so?

Be a prosecutor/judge. Just don't be a lawyer.

I'd never be a lawyer cuz I wouldnt defend anyone that I felt was guilty. Alot of the times lawyers know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyways. I could never do that. However if I could decline and accept clients at will that would be the only case. Id rather not be a prosecutor either cuz I could never bring an arguement against a person I feel could be innocent, it doesnt play well with my coinscience/morals. Judge maybe as I could decide a fair and just solution according to the evidence, that way I dont attack the innocent or defend the guilty, but its way too much work

1) More like 99.9999%.

I rounded =D

2) You know, most people would say that a person who thinks killing other people is funny is insane.

I think this depends, amusement from killing is an indication of cruelty, cruelty does not always indicate insanity. You can have a cool and collected killer that enjoys killing, but is neither insane or instable, just like we enjoy it in video games, some like to live out that fantasy

4) What's your reason for this one?

A minor is still immature, not as calculated as an adult. He may kill someone cuz they called his mom a biatch which is simply a matter of anger management rather than murderous intent. Also the idea of a 12 year old getting trhe lethal injection doesnt play too well with me either.

Originally Posted by KlNETIC

if u kill someone you need to die no excuses no bullsht, its that simple

I may not have made this clear in my arguements, but kill and murder are two VERY different things. Not every killer is a murderer. Murder is what should be punished.


This has been a nice discussion, no trolls to speak of, not much flaming if any.... yet

[manofsparrow]

Lol I guess so?

I'm wondering what the ratio of supporters/non-supporters/non-supporters because they're afraid an innocent person might be killed is.

Originally Posted by shintenzu

I think this depends, amusement from killing is an indication of cruelty, cruelty does not always indicate insanity. You can have a cool and collected killer that enjoys killing, but is neither insane or instable, just like we enjoy it in video games, some like to live out that fantasy

Yeah, it probably depends.

By the way, apparently, being sadist is a mental disorder.

PTypes - Sadistic Personality Disorder Criteria

A minor is still immature, not as calculated as an adult. He may kill someone cuz they called his mom a biatch which is simply a matter of anger management rather than murderous intent. Also the idea of a 12 year old getting trhe lethal injection doesnt play too well with me either.

So what if there's a minor who enjoy killing but isn't insane or unstable?

I may not have made this clear in my arguements, but kill and murder are two VERY different things. Not every killer is a murderer. Murder is what should be punished.

You know, I've heard of cases where a person who killed someone else in self-defence was arrested. Of course, the person usually wasn't punished badly.

[Pitbull]

do i beliave in a death penalty ? yes. do i belive in lethal injection? no. they should boil a whole pool of water boiling water and then throw the convict in it for 60 seconds and then let him die of infections from the burns/starvation/the pain of the burn.


^ and im not saying that just because a man kills someone he will get thiis.. im talking about the ***ers that kill like 10+ people and sh1t like the terrorist.


and yea. minors shouldnt get death penalty because they dont really know any better. but once they are like over 21+ age , they should know better.

like if a 11 year old stabs his family and rapes a girl in school. just send his ass to the baddest prison their is. and let the ***er get robbed for his food and take it up the ass because it ass is soft and the prisoners like it and sh1t ect.

[Saek]

Originally Posted by Pitbull

do i beliave in a death penalty ? yes. do i belive in lethal injection? no. they should boil a whole pool of water boiling water and then throw the convict in it for 60 seconds and then let him die of infections from the burns/starvation/the pain of the burn.


^ and im not saying that just because a man kills someone he will get thiis.. im talking about the ***ers that kill like 10+ people and sh1t like the terrorist.


and yea. minors shouldnt get death penalty because they dont really know any better. but once they are like over 21+ age , they should know better.

like if a 11 year old stabs his family and rapes a girl in school. just send his ass to the baddest prison their is. and let the ***er get robbed for his food and take it up the ass because it ass is soft and the prisoners like it and sh1t ect.

hm... that's um pretty deep the boiling water might be a tad too far though. I just beleive they don't deserve to live, Death Row should already have em cooked up and messed up enough :P

[Ghos7Soldier]

Death Penalty......yep....should be put to use more often.

Waste of tax money on ****ers who don't even need to be alive.

[Admiral Awesome (115 votes)]

Death Penalty? Yes.

Sorry, but, even some minors need to be done away with for their actions.

[Mr.Lucifer]

Would the society be better if you killed everyone who never got better, even after being in jail a lot of times?

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Yeah, it probably depends.

By the way, apparently, being sadist is a mental disorder.

PTypes - Sadistic Personality Disorder Criteria

True. It's also pretty normal.

Originally Posted by Admiral Awesome

Death Penalty? Yes.

Sorry, but, even some minors need to be done away with for their actions.

But minors have a high chance of becoming good again. Plus, they don't know better. Hormones and ****, right?

[Colby]

Originally Posted by jsome

I think the death penalty is just, but with one complaint, what if the person they executed turned out to be innocent? If so, they would have killed a person who had done no wrong. Our system of law enforcement is effective, but it has many flaws.

Personally, I don't think that sick sadists like that deserve to die right away, they should be subject to the same torture they gave their victims.

Conversely though, what if we let a guilty man go free? In the long run which is more valuable, one life or more?

Edit: Also, it was mentioned that the Death penalty should not be given to the insane, but how do you define insanity? Is there some sort of norm we should accept? What is the line between cruel and insane? Some would argue that anyone who would kill another person, is no more sane than a person who does it randomly and without provocation.

Look at the incident with the man on the greyhound bus, he attacked the man in apparent cold blood, but was he insane?...Is it not insane, knowing what future murder holds, to actually commit the crime in the first place? Can't it be argued that all men or women who would willingly sacrifice their innocence for the sake of taking a life is insane?

[Vonterul]

Originally Posted by Sinjihn

Tbh, not most people decide to look at the other side of life, the darker, more unexplored, psycotic part, simply because they do not understand it, and label it, unethical and "wrong".

Noone deserves to die before their time. Period. The death penalty is very disputable, partly because death>suffering(in some thoughts) and that they cannot think of another way to punish someone for some unspeakable crime. Most "sick ****ers" are usually people who have had their minds messed up by either past experiences, or just plain birth, a misconfiguration of the brain, or a loose hinge in the mind as they say. And you know what? Some people are just born finding that little boys and girls are attractive. Is it their faults? No. Do we punish them for it? Yes. Is it unethical? In our day and age. SHOULD we punish them for commiting an act we consider unethical simply because the majority populus deems it so? Disputable. However it always leans in the favor of yes, simply because of the concensus. And its highly rare that someone who has been a victim of child harrassment/abuse/rape/molestation or a close relative/friend of someone who has undergone these "wrongs" would see this side of it. Emotions of fury rage depression and sadness usually cloud this, and instead all you want to see is that sick mother****er die. And in a way, they have the right to think that. However, it is wrong.

Killing someone because of certain factors that they have no power over is simply wrong, yes, when you look at it blandly. But then you put details into it, and **** gets complicated.

You're forgetting something very important. The imagination is devoid of right and wrong, of taboos, of forbidden things, of facts and truths. Everything is possible. Not so much in Real life, though. You can think about little girls and little boys all you want. You can think about murdering people all you want. You're free to imagine and think whatever you please. But there's a difference between real life and the magical world full of rainbows in your head. If anyone crosses the line, then that's where it gets wrong. That's when you hurt people for real. That's why your argument is void. They do have power over it.

The had the choice to succumb to their desires and act out their fantasies or think twice. They had the chance to stop the madness. Even if they're "****ed up", they can still stop before it's too late. Is it their fault they like children? In my opinion, no. But it is when they willingly and knowingly do something that will probably hurt the child and scar it for life. Same with murderers and everything else.

Of course, everybody make errors. It's very easy in a moment of passion to go too far or to do something retarded but there's no excuse. An eye for an eye. Headbutt the wall before stabbing the guy. Or find a way to satisfy your sadistic desire.

Am I for the death penalty? Yes. Unfortunately, we're only human. Our system is already flawed enough as it is, so just imagine how flawed it would be with the death penalty. In an ideal world, perhaps, but for now...

Just take the insanity argument, for example. How do we know if it's true? Someone could be faking it. It's the same as the "I forgot" line. How can we prove if he truly forgot or not?
We can't. And if you're insane in the first place, I don't see how that's even valid as an argument.

[Pitbull]

Originally Posted by Saek

hm... that's um pretty deep the boiling water might be a tad too far though. I just beleive they don't deserve to live, Death Row should already have em cooked up and messed up enough :P

lolz i supposed your right

[Becci]

Originally Posted by shintenzu

I'd never be a lawyer cuz I wouldnt defend anyone that I felt was guilty. Alot of the times lawyers know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyways. I could never do that. However if I could decline and accept clients at will that would be the only case. Id rather not be a prosecutor either cuz I could never bring an arguement against a person I feel could be innocent, it doesnt play well with my coinscience/morals. Judge maybe as I could decide a fair and just solution according to the evidence, that way I dont attack the innocent or defend the guilty, but its way too much work

That's too bad. I think everybody deserves to be represented in the court of law. Everybody should have a voice and a chance to explain their case. Whether or not they get punished is another story, but everybody deserves chance in court because we'd never really know the truth 100% of the time, do we?

If a murderer does get off, I am inclined to believe that's due to a loophole in the law or a technicality. It doesn't matter if you're the best speaker in the world, the facts are there, the evidence is either there or isn't: very rarely could you ever persuade the court to deem a man or woman not guilty by charisma alone (since all juries are accompanied by guidance of a judge and they see through that bull****).

Do your job, and if you do it with integrity/fairness, most of the time justice prevails regardless.

(Sorry for this off topic post)

By the way, I am personally undecided about death penalty, simply because I feel that the legal system tends to punish rather than rehabilitate and justify. Needs more research, imo.

[LordShaft]

I'm against death penalty.

[jappeX]

The world is simply a better place without some people. Death sentence is a suitable way to get rid of these rotten bastards from our society. Not even a bit does it matter how the to-be-excecuted person himself feels about it.

I'd like to see death penalty used more often.