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Old 08-11-2008, 04:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Not Sad. I Study Politics in Uni and most of my class agree that Obama's race is a major contributing factor to his outcome in the race for president.

It reduces its chances, because the southern states in America still have that stigma of the black man. Time will tell. I really do want Obama to win, the democrats always clean up the **** republicans leave behind....Why oh why do you people keep voting them back in!
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Old 08-11-2008, 06:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Not Sad. I Study Politics in Uni and most of my class agree that Obama's race is a major contributing factor to his outcome in the race for president.

It reduces its chances, because the southern states in America still have that stigma of the black man. Time will tell. I really do want Obama to win, the democrats always clean up the **** republicans leave behind....Why oh why do you people keep voting them back in!
So true. It was a stupid move by the democrats to try to get a black man or a woman into the oval office. Of course it would be really cool and the government would have been remembered for a long time for being the first, but the US just isn't ready for that yet. And think of what happens if they fail?

What I find a bit funny is how everyone says the election is between Obama and McCain. Kinda shows how little the general population knows about politics when they vote on person and not politics.
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Old 08-12-2008, 12:14 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't like either candidate. Who wants to write me in?

Seriously though - Obama is doing the "campaign by the people" thing... Which is gaining him support. Not because he's a good candidate, but because on some level people can relate to him.

Mccain is well... mccain. Unfit for president if I may say so...

However, both support net neutrality, so whomever is elected will be decent I suppose. Nader seemed somewhat funny on the daily show... even though it's not real news, he seemed to have some wit behind him. That speaks louder than McCain and Obama in my book.

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Old 08-12-2008, 03:55 AM   #19 (permalink)
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However, both support net neutrality, so whomever is elected will be decent I suppose.
It's a bit :/ to see that you're basing your decision on one issue (that is by no means unimportant, but there are definitely other things that they propose that will affect youth and the economy).

Both candidates flip-flop quite a lot. Obama was first against offshore drilling (quite possibly making America even more dependent on foreign oil, crippling the economy further) ... and now, probably due to the drop in popularity polls, Obama thinks regulated offshore drilling is a good short-term relief until 'new technologies' are created. Obama was for public campaign financing, but then now he isn't. Which one is he?

McCain is unclear on his spending policies (lol fictional figures), and proposes an increase in offshore drilling despite the fact that America uses 25% of the world's oil and only owns 3% of the oil reserves; it can't solve things in the long run. Predictions say that if McCain is elected, tax rates will also rise rapidly, even though a vast majority of the Americans surveyed believe that tax rates are already high and are being wasted at the moment. In addition, McCain is uncertain and uninformed about whether contraceptives should be included within health care plans, even if Viagra is. On the flipside, Obama's take on abortion is actually quite disturbing: he opposes a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

The main issues are obviously: the war (which McCain supports, but critiqued the execution), the environment, and the economy/energy crisis.

I'm no American, but I honestly hope that that whoever is elected will be able to improve things in a non-destructive way.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:23 AM   #20 (permalink)
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It's a bit :/ to see that you're basing your decision on one issue (that is by no means unimportant, but there are definitely other things that they propose that will affect youth and the economy).

Both candidates flip-flop quite a lot. Obama was first against offshore drilling (quite possibly making America even more dependent on foreign oil, crippling the economy further) ... and now, probably due to the drop in popularity polls, Obama thinks regulated offshore drilling is a good short-term relief until 'new technologies' are created. Obama was for public campaign financing, but then now he isn't. Which one is he?

McCain is unclear on his spending policies (lol fictional figures), and proposes an increase in offshore drilling despite the fact that America uses 25% of the world's oil and only owns 3% of the oil reserves; it can't solve things in the long run. Predictions say that if McCain is elected, tax rates will also rise rapidly, even though a vast majority of the Americans surveyed believe that tax rates are already high and are being wasted at the moment. In addition, McCain is uncertain and uninformed about whether contraceptives should be included within health care plans, even if Viagra is. On the flipside, Obama's take on abortion is actually quite disturbing: he opposes a bill to protect the life of an infant who survived a late-term abortion.

The main issues are obviously: the war (which McCain supports, but critiqued the execution), the environment, and the economy/energy crisis.

I'm no American, but I honestly hope that that whoever is elected will be able to improve things in a non-destructive way.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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i think mCcain is gonna win because people think hes a true american.

ex. he was a p.o.w for 4 years in wietnam war.
anther 1 is he knows military and obama doesnt
Nah worried families won't want an ex military incharge as he'll delay the whole iraq thing more :S
if the us troops are still there anyway
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Someone who has experienced the true nature of war is more likely to do the right choice, don't you think?
People who have experienced the true nature of war can go crazy, among other things. Experiencing war could in fact make McCain more likely to disreguard the people. It depends on the type of guy he is. He could view war as something terrible that he would never want to touch again, ever, or he could view it as "well, I survived it so that means plenty of other people will too". But that's all a bunch of complicated internal bull **** having to do with his character, which you'll never truly know since compaigning is all about bull****ting the people into voting for you anyway.

As I've said previously, I just don't feel like getting drafted to be honest. I don't regularly keep up with politics(else I'd probably be pretty heavily involved), but if what Becci is saying is true then I think Obama is the way to go. Less taxes, and less war. Sounds dandy to me.
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People who have experienced the true nature of war can go crazy, among other things. Experiencing war could in fact make McCain more likely to disreguard the people. It depends on the type of guy he is. He could view war as something terrible that he would never want to touch again, ever, or he could view it as "well, I survived it so that means plenty of other people will too". But that's all a bunch of complicated internal bull **** having to do with his character, which you'll never truly know since compaigning is all about bull****ting the people into voting for you anyway.

As I've said previously, I just don't feel like getting drafted to be honest. I don't regularly keep up with politics(else I'd probably be pretty heavily involved), but if what Becci is saying is true then I think Obama is the way to go. Less taxes, and less war. Sounds dandy to me.
That's true, but when it comes to military decisions I think the majority of the people will believe more in McCain than Obama. To be honest my personal opinion is that McCain is better fit for that. But then again, the president isn't the one person behind all politics.

I don't go to deep into the US election, but Obama (that is, the democrats) seems like the kind of president who will "fix" a lot of the problems in the US. But I don't think the US is ready for the changes. And another thing is what the OP said, people will blame the black race for Obamas fails. But no need to worry about that, the country isn't ready for a black president with good politics behind him, so he wont win the election.
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Here's the thing about Obama - there hasn't been a position that he's not agreed with (exaggerated, but you get the gist). When I say he flips, he flips a lot and it brings doubts to the solidity of his policies. He represents the idea of 'change' and sometimes he makes it sound like a fairytale; I can't help but feel disillusioned by all the nice things he proposes and flips from, so McCain can seem like the more 'realistic' option. Obama's lack of experience is also a fall on his part, and it's one of the biggest things that voters are worried about.
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I don't like either candidate. Who wants to write me in?

Seriously though - Obama is doing the "campaign by the people" thing... Which is gaining him support. Not because he's a good candidate, but because on some level people can relate to him.

Mccain is well... mccain. Unfit for president if I may say so...

However, both support net neutrality, so whomever is elected will be decent I suppose. Nader seemed somewhat funny on the daily show... even though it's not real news, he seemed to have some wit behind him. That speaks louder than McCain and Obama in my book.

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