Isreal and Palestine

[manofsparrow]

But the "Jews basically kicked out the Muslims/Arabs?" No. The land was split between the Arabs and Jews, with the Muslims actually having a more favourable portion the land. Despite the agreement of the countries of the world, all 6 Arab countries attacked to take all of the land. The Jews fought back and pushed the Arabs back out of Israel's borders. It was a dire mistake for all 6 Arab countries. They should not have tried to defy the veto.

Look up "Palestinian refugees"

Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians for peace and in return, they have recieved countless missiles thrown into the country. Do you think that a country that aims for peace deserves this? These terrorists want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. I can only see one perpetrator and two victims in this outbreak. The perpetrator obviously being the terrorists who have the intent to kill civilians and the victims being Israel - who wishes for peace and has become the scapegoat in the media, and the civilians in Gaza, who too wish for peace but unfortunately fall victim in crossfires.

Yeah, that's a problem. People are too emotional and idealistic.

And I'm sure Israel didn't appreciate that they too have lost half their country (and may I stress again the better half), but they were atleast appreciative to have some land, rather then attack the Arabs to steal what they wanted.

I go into your house and take half of it. Then, I give you back a quarter of the entire house and ask you to stop *****ing about taking back your house, because a quarter of the house belongs to me now.

Seriously, look up Palestinian Refugees. You seem to be clueless about that part.

That is true. We all want wars and conflicts to stop. Israel is prepared for peace. I'm sure many in America wish for gun violence to stop. The question is, when will those who cause the conflicts decide to stop fighting?

Well... the U.S. stopped the conflict with the Native Americans by beating them into submission. Wanna try that?

Right now, Israel is stuck in a hole. Invading the attacking countries and beating them into submission would be too difficult, and giving up Israel would be screwing themselves over. Making peace without getting screwed is really difficult, since the attacking groups want wipe Israel off the map.

Israel could probably try:

-More appeasement. Giving back land isn't enough apparently.
-Establishing better relations with the neighboring countries.
-Better defense against rockets. The rockets are primitive, and have no guidance system, which would explain the low number of deaths caused by these rockets compared to how many were fired. If enough time passes, the terrorists might get more developed rockets.

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Israel could probably try:

-More appeasement. Giving back land isn't enough apparently.

The Arabs never orginally owned the land in the first place. As I said previously, it belonged to the Israelities at many points in history.

Still wondering why the hell they want the land that was origanally Israel's in the first place, seeing that they have their own countries to live in. They seem to have nothing better to do, rather than hate Israel, because what the Arabs stole was taken back by the original owners. More of a pride thing if you ask me.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

-Establishing better relations with the neighboring countries.

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Israel has always offered to make peace with her Arab neighbours, however the Arab countries did not recognise, negotiate or make peace with Israel. It was only in 1979, that the Israeli priminister, Menachem Begin, formed a peace treaty with Egypt, giving Egypt the Sinai in exchange for peace. In 1994, Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty, where Israel gave water to Jordan for peace. In 2000, Israeli priminister, Ehud Barak offered 100% of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank to Yassir Arafat, in the condition that he would remove terror groups from his territories. Arafat rejected the offer and rather than making a counter offer, he left the negotiations. Soon after, Arabs shot missiles into Israel and attacked the country.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

-Better defense against rockets. The rockets are primitive, and have no guidance system,

Aim them where you want them to hit, and shoot.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

which would explain the low number of deaths caused by these rockets compared to how many were fired. If enough time passes, the terrorists might get more developed rockets.

Which have now been attained - some being able to reach Jerusalem. So you're suggesting for Israel to sit back and allow rockets to hit them???


...because all those options are realistic, aren't they? -_-

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

The Arabs never orginally owned the land in the first place. As I said previously, it belonged to the Israelities at many points in history.

And during the time where the Israelities didn't own it, who do you think was owning it?

The Native Americans originally 'owned' most of the land in North America, but giving all the land back is impractical.

Still wondering why the hell they want the land that was origanally Israel's in the first place, seeing that they have their own countries to live in. They seem to have nothing better to do, rather than hate Israel, because what the Arabs stole was taken back by the original owners. More of a pride thing if you ask me.

I wanna know why the hell the UN couldn't find another place and avoid the conflict. Even if the land rightfully belonged to the Israelis, they could just give it up and choose some other place to settle in to avoid the conflict (Assuming there's at least one place that's free for them to settle in).

Which have now been attained - some being able to reach Jerusalem. So you're suggesting for Israel to sit back and allow rockets to hit them???


...because all those options are realistic, aren't they? -_-

Got any better ideas about how to defend yourself from rockets?

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

And during the time where the Israelities didn't own it, who do you think was owning it?

That works both ways.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

I wanna know why the hell the UN couldn't find another place and avoid the conflict. Even if the land rightfully belonged to the Israelis, they could just give it up and choose some other place to settle in to avoid the conflict (Assuming there's at least one place that's free for them to settle in).

Does the promised land tell you much?

And why are you putting the blame on the Israelis, saying that they should move to some other place to avoid the conflict? Shouldn't that also apply to the Arabs, judging by your reasoning?


Both comments you've said hold hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Got any better ideas about how to defend yourself from rockets?

Get rid of the people shooting the rockets.

Sounds reasonable. Don't you think?

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

That works both ways.

Whenever something like this happens, there's going to be a lot of fighting for a while. Wait a few more decades and it'll cool down, or the terrorists will win and it'll stop anyways.

Does the promised land tell you much?

I don't give a damn about that. If it wasn't for that story, this conflict might not even exist.

And why are you putting the blame on the Israelis, saying that they should move to some other place to avoid the conflict? Shouldn't that also apply to the Arabs, judging by your reasoning?

Both comments you've said hold hypocrisy.

I'm neutral. Everything I say applies to both sides.

Get rid of the people shooting the rockets.

Sounds reasonable. Don't you think?

They've been trying, but they end up killing civilians in the process, which gets reported on the media.

If you respond to this, don't expect me to respond back for a few days.

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Whenever something like this happens, there's going to be a lot of fighting for a while. Wait a few more decades and it'll cool down, or the terrorists will win and it'll stop anyways.

That's what people said a few decades ago.

AND WAIT TILL THE TERRORISTS WIN AND IT'LL STOP ANYWAYS?!

So once a country is destroyed, it'll be all fine?

I'll be glad to say the same when they come to your country; I'm from Australia, but I do NOT see that as a reasonable opinion.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

I don't give a damn about that. If it wasn't for that story, this conflict might not even exist.

If it weren't for Arabs stealing the land and having it stolen back from them, that their stubborness and Extremist teachings would exist.

Although that would be a very biased view and I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

I'm neutral. Everything I say applies to both sides.

Your previous statements don't seem to show that. I'd assume you're neutral in the aspect that you dislike both sides.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

They've been trying, but they end up killing civilians in the process, which gets reported on the media.

As it happens in a time of war, especially when terrorists shoot missiles purposely from heavily populated areas.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

If you respond to this, don't expect me to respond back for a few days.

Funny, because I couldn't reply until now (A few days since my previous post).

Even more funny; it's interesting what happened as of today:

Gaza (finally) agreed on a truce. I hope it lasts...

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

That's what people said a few decades ago.

All wars have an end. Some wars take longer than others.
Maybe when the first generation of Palestine refugees die out?

AND WAIT TILL THE TERRORISTS WIN AND IT'LL STOP ANYWAYS?!

So once a country is destroyed, it'll be all fine?

I'll be glad to say the same when they come to your country; I'm from Australia, but I do NOT see that as a reasonable opinion.

You seem to be content with millions of refugees booted from their homes and then saying "it's fine, just forget about it".

If they come to my country, I'll move out if it looks like we're losing.
I also said that it can end if the terrorists stop being stubborn and agree to a truce.

If it weren't for Arabs stealing the land and having it stolen back from them, that their stubborness and Extremist teachings would exist.

Although that would be a very biased view and I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

Ok, but I still don't give a damn about that story.

Your previous statements don't seem to show that. I'd assume you're neutral in the aspect that you dislike both sides.

I'm neutral, as in "I don't give a damn who wins". You can think of it as "indifferent", or "apathetic".

Actually, if I had to choose, I'd rather have the Israelis win simply because they're here right now. And there's a part of me that thinks that the terrorists would go on a genocide if they won.

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Ok, but I still don't give a damn about that story.

I'm neutral, as in "I don't give a damn who wins". You can think of it as "indifferent", or "apathetic".

Than I cease to understand why you have such strong opinions on the matter.

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Actually, if I had to choose, I'd rather have the Israelis win simply because they're here right now. And there's a part of me that thinks that the terrorists would go on a genocide if they won.

I reckon they'll find something else to hate. Themselves - ie. Shiates vs. Sunii (I know I spelt that wrong) and then to America, Britain, America's allies in Europe and eventually to Australia.

In fact, I think they may move on to the Church, who appears to be their largest rivals in grabbing adherents right now - and they may believe that the Church is instilling the wrong beliefs into the people and spreading it like a poison.

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Than I cease to understand why you have such strong opinions on the matter.

I don't, but I can see why you would think that.

I reckon they'll find something else to hate. Themselves - ie. Shiates vs. Sunii (I know I spelt that wrong) and then to America, Britain, America's allies in Europe and eventually to Australia.

In fact, I think they may move on to the Church, who appears to be their largest rivals in grabbing adherents right now - and they may believe that the Church is instilling the wrong beliefs into the people and spreading it like a poison.

And that's how you feel about Arabs?

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

And that's how you feel about Arabs?

Not Arabs. The terrorists.

Not all Arabs are Extremists - only the minority.

[Ailysa]

...And so the Palestinian Jihad broke the truce and shot three missiles at Israel - one hitting Sderot and injuring two Israelis.

Palestinian Jihad had agreed to the truce and somehow, I feel that Hamas may have some involvement with it. Hamas, whose goal is to "wipe Israel off the face of the map," was elected by the Palestinians for their government; no wonder there have been all these troubles.

I had faith that it would be peaceful for atleast two weeks, however it hasn't even lasted a week before the Palestinian militants decided to shoot missiles again. I guess I my faith in the Palestinians as a whole was wrongly reckoned...

[death song]

Israel is not as democratic as you think. For example, in the Negev desert 80,000 Bedouins who were never chased out of their homes (they have been there for 500 years) ought to be under Israeli law equal citizens. Israel wants to develop the land so they decided their villages are illegal. On that basis they deny these citizens of Israel education, health care, transportation, municipal trash services, drinking water, and electricity. Also they have no legal right to their homes so Israel can come in with bulldozers at any time and demolish them. Also, Israel now prevents the Bedouins from using their grazing lands (calling it state owned land) depriving them of their livelihood. If you are an Arab and you are a citizen of Israel you are unwanted and discriminated against. Israel only cares about Jews.

[fairyprincess]

Dont see anybody crying about the many times the jews were kicked out of their homelands now do I? That land rightfully belonged to the jews before they were driven out. Im totally pro-israel. I love those kewl kids. Theyre totally surrounded by enemies from each side and they're holding their own.

[manofsparrow]

Theyre totally surrounded by enemies from each side and they're holding their own.

Don't forget about how much financial support they have.

[death song]

Originally Posted by fairyprincess

Dont see anybody crying about the many times the jews were kicked out of their homelands now do I?

Actually people in the US cry much more about the historical oppression of the Jews. Just compare the number of sad American films about the Holocaust with the number of sad films about ANY other oppressed people. Ask the average American who the most evil person of all time was and they say Hitler.