Kraise an Art Theif?

[Misuzu]

Lawl, the thread starter is on a mission.

[Siefer-Neo]

I think we all know what we are waiting for..

[Contagious]

l0l @ art thieves

[Cactoid]

Wow I actually after reviewing Kraise's other posts have to agree with this one. Everything about his style is inconsistent. From his shading, eye's, and so on. Even though you can draw in different styles his art just changes so drastically its unbelievable o.0.

[Hitoshi]

Kraise is a theif?

Amazing research, you should work as a investigator or detective ;x.

[peaceofpi]

kraise is citizen - 1 vote

[Kangoala]

To believe or not to believe, that is the question..

[Glenn]

Originally Posted by 0wn3d_U_N00b

To believe or not to believe, that is the question..

I BELIEVE. I BELIEVE THAT, Everyone I know is a GONERR!!!!
WAAAAAA

[Energy]

Jinkies!!!!

[Matt[CV]]

lol, i dont really care whether or not he is, i just want to know why he would bother posting them here if the where stolen.

[AmuHinamori]

I wouldn't doubt that Kraise stole art. It's like being good at one thing, showing off, then showing them another; obviously you think they're talking truths.

Basically, Kraise taught a few people K-style. Those 3 friends told their 3 friends since this is GunZ and everyone has 3 e-friends... So on, and so on.

Then Kraise goes public, and says that "This is my work" and he'll get bashed if anyone says otherwise.

I'm really sorry. I'm high. D:

[Paul]

I'm not going to bother reading through all the specifics of your posts, but I've skimmed the image and your analysis of photoshop, and I'd disagree at least with the points I observed there. First off, the style shift is not as drastic as you make it out to be. Kraise started off with crappy drawings (no offense Kraise, most artists do), and he worked his way up. An artist (especially an ANIME artist) will try many styles and many different things to develop a consistant style. When I used to draw, many of my works would take on a different style when I wanted to experiment. Really, if you look at the images provided in your example, they're not so different that it's impossible for the same guy to have drawn it. You found examples of artists with a specific, narrow style, but there are also plenty of artists who vary their drawings greatly and go beyond just one style all the time, depending on the mood they want to portray in the image. And even still, as I said, they're not all that different even. Look at the last three. Sure there are differences there, but even the way the drawing was done in line stage seems to be very similar, even to the very first drawing. The second drawing is the only one that's drastically different in terms of the drawing style itself, and like I said, it could've been intentional or experimentation.

As far as photoshop goes, you talk an awful lot about the "ONLY WAY" to do certain things, and how ANYBODY who's used photoshop will know that there's only THAT way to do it. I can tell you spend way too much time reading tutorials and not experimenting on your own if this is your opinion of photoshop. The beauty of the program is that there are nearly endless ways to accomplish the very same thing, and everyone goes about these things in a slightly different way, and at times a drastically different way.

Anyway I'm not interested enough to go in and research all the in's and outs of the situation(I just disagree with those points I mentioned), so I'm not saying that Kraise did or did not post art that he didn't do himself. What would convince me, and everyone else I'm sure, would be if you were to find these images and show us that they have been around longer than he claims.

[Divined]

I drew this and Da Vinci stole it.




Notice my signature. I even posted the date Which i made it . 1502. He was believed to make this sometime bewtween 1503-1508. Do the math.

Hes a art thief.

[Contagious]

Originally Posted by Divined

I drew this and Da Vinci stole it.


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Notice my signature. I even posted the date Which i made it . 1502. He was believed to make this sometime bewtween 1503-1508. Do the math.

Hes a art thief.

I believe you.

[aybaybay]

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm not going to bother reading through all the specifics of your posts, but I've skimmed the image and your analysis of photoshop, and I'd disagree at least with the points I observed there. First off, the style shift is not as drastic as you make it out to be. Kraise started off with crappy drawings (no offense Kraise, most artists do), and he worked his way up. An artist (especially an ANIME artist) will try many styles and many different things to develop a consistant style. When I used to draw, many of my works would take on a different style when I wanted to experiment. Really, if you look at the images provided in your example, they're not so different that it's impossible for the same guy to have drawn it. You found examples of artists with a specific, narrow style, but there are also plenty of artists who vary their drawings greatly and go beyond just one style all the time, depending on the mood they want to portray in the image. And even still, as I said, they're not all that different even. Look at the last three. Sure there are differences there, but even the way the drawing was done in line stage seems to be very similar, even to the very first drawing. The second drawing is the only one that's drastically different in terms of the drawing style itself, and like I said, it could've been intentional or experimentation.

As far as photoshop goes, you talk an awful lot about the "ONLY WAY" to do certain things, and how ANYBODY who's used photoshop will know that there's only THAT way to do it. I can tell you spend way too much time reading tutorials and not experimenting on your own if this is your opinion of photoshop. The beauty of the program is that there are nearly endless ways to accomplish the very same thing, and everyone goes about these things in a slightly different way, and at times a drastically different way.

Anyway I'm not interested enough to go in and research all the in's and outs of the situation(I just disagree with those points I mentioned), so I'm not saying that Kraise did or did not post art that he didn't do himself. What would convince me, and everyone else I'm sure, would be if you were to find these images and show us that they have been around longer than he claims.

Oh paul, I know you are trying to play devil's advocate and I understand, it should be innocent until proven guilty. I, on the other hand have been drawing consistantly since I was in middle school, I have copied, I have traced and I know the mechanics behind all of it.

You see if you were a constant drawer you will know how a style emerges even without your knowing it. An artist has this psycological bias in his brain as to how certain things to look and if you look at most artists they always do it that way or some variation. Style searching is only at a very early start my friend, that is when you are first drawing. Look at the quality of Kraise's art that is the stage in which your style is almost fully defined and at that point the only variation in your style is the actual topc or the medium used.

Now I chose Kraise's colorings because that is the most definitive evidence, in drawings you may try to adopt something new, but in paintings things stay relatively the same. Now it could be true that Kraise decided to do air brushing on one, and cell shading on the other which is why I brought two examples of soft cell shading and two examples of air brushing. When an artist gets to the point that he paints like Greek or Kraise, you have defined your painting style and at that point you will almost always use that style consistantly when using that specific medium. His two cell shadings are drastically different, even down to the way the eyes are drawn, the hair is high lighted, and how the skin tone is treated.

Now I am at an official art school and I have sent this to all my peers without telling them the back ground information. I showed them each and every picture in its entirety and even one art teacher. They unanimously saw immediately that each art was done by a different individual. It is one of those things that anyone with digital painting experience catches immediately which is why Greek was one of the first to say anything.

As for your comment on tutorials you could not me farther formo the point. The more tutorials you read, the more you realize different ways art can be done, but you will notice when an art work is done a specific method it will always have certain characteristics that are strict to that method.

Now you probably do not know a great deal about the burn and dodge tool, so let me explain. Each and every color that is burned or dodged is a shade or tint of the previous one. So you are constantly adding black into the color equation, and though this can me imitated by going directly down in the color pallet for each swatch, but you will never get the same gradiant effect that the dodge and burn tool gives. When you use the dodge and burn tool it shows, and every single time you use that tool you will see the exact same effect. If you gausiann blur a picture it will have a specific effect and it will only ever look like that when you use the guassain blur tool. So if you have used photoshop long enough you can tell what tools were used in the piece. So it may seem like a show of arrogance or close mindedness to you, but I can assure you that you will be able to make sch conclusion when you know a specific medium well enough.