K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter?

FenixStryk4 · 03-02-2006, 08:57 PM

I'm a hybrid right now and have only mastered Wallflying, barely knowing BF and SS throughout the years of playing... but, I have to ask, does it matter if you dash first or jump first in any K-based move?

I dash before I jump, even though most instrucitons say jump first, however, it doesn't seem to make a difference since the inertia carries over after the dash.

The only difference I can see is that there's a slightly longer delay in the switching since you can't switch until after the jump (so you'll either take a little longer per SS shot, or you won't slash during the movement), but the movement speed is faster...

AM I like doing a n00b SS when I dash first, or am I just doing it an alternate way?

§hinoguN · 03-02-2006, 08:58 PM

it's best to jump then dash.

site · 03-02-2006, 09:02 PM

jump dash causes a downward slope like this \

dash jump causes a L like this _|

jump dash is better because you're naturally dodging bullets

§hinoguN · 03-02-2006, 09:13 PM

Well Jump Dash also leads to more efficient and proper K-Style moves. I wouldn't imagine trying to do a half step Dashing first and then Jumping. It just wouldn't be possible. Same with SS. That would be called JSD instead of SS actually. (-.-)

~~Dark Ryu~~ · 03-02-2006, 09:15 PM

jump then dash is the correct way. and it is ture for that dashing is best for avoiding damage.

INVuRTS · 03-02-2006, 10:00 PM

you can dash-jump-dash.

Substitute "jump" with "while airborne" for the most accurate description.

NSman · 03-02-2006, 10:56 PM

The entire point of Kstyle is to increase your dodging abilities while maintaining the ability to shoot. Dashing then jumping gives you slower timing because you can't shoot during the dash, but you can shoot during the dash if you dash after your jump. Also, when you use dash jump, you are moving in a longer path at a constant speed...making you easier to shoot.

Hymnosi · 03-02-2006, 11:13 PM

You cant slash cancel unless your in the air, and most k-style moves require you to slash directly after a dash so...

I never dash on the ground unless im stuck by a massive or falling off a wall.

**Anthop** · 03-02-2006, 11:28 PM

Hmm.... I dunno about the claims that dashing last make you more evasive, but I >do< know that if you jump last, you risk rushing your slash-shot into your jump and end up slashing on the ground (getting stuck for the animation and making yourself vunerable to bullets).

So I would generally try to jump first, if only for the sake of having a more reliable K-style. (And I think that's what counts most. Getting your skills to a point where you can rely on them not to screw up at a crucial moment :P.)

Hymnosi · 03-02-2006, 11:30 PM

For my own reference, isnt yoyo hop...

Dash Jump shoot swap dash shoot?

Pointflash · 03-02-2006, 11:31 PM

Generally it's better if you incorporate a dash into a jump. Dashing around on the ground and then jumping up and shoot is kinda pointless and awkward. So generally try to jump -> dash.
There is a difference between where you put the dash inside the jump though. Most moves requires you to Jump -> dash BEFORE a sword slash, that makes you fall down to the ground really fast, as site said in a \ shape. I however found that moving around w/ silent flash step: jump -> slash and THEN dash gets me up stairs, around objects, up crates and ledges easier. Also aiming is slightly easier if you put a dash after a slashshot. This is basically like Jump-shoot-switchmelee-dash, but you don't just pull out your gun you still cancel it out. Two dashes, one before slash and one after slash, is a flashstep. You can try to do all K-style moves w/ the dash after melee-cancel and see how you feel.

Flix · 03-03-2006, 03:33 AM

Jump-dash is the proper way, it allows for more evasion, though I've never heard of someone dash-jumping..

Beyondpower · 03-03-2006, 03:39 AM

Actually there is no proper way, watch some kgunz replays some of them use: Dash > Jump > slashshot (or halfstep) You can use it when you are going around the corner for example.. so.. yeah.

Flix · 03-03-2006, 04:12 AM

Eh, I was wrong, like I said, I've never heard of or seen any k-stylers dash-jumping.

FenixStryk4 · 03-03-2006, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by site

jump dash causes a downward slope like this \
dash jump causes a L like this _|

BLATANT LIE!
Jump Dashing cases start something like this. |\
The first jump is prety much near vertical and after that it starts to get the V shape during repeats.

Dash jumping starts like this: __/
Lots of x-axis movement, and once you jump you keep going the direction you dashed. After a few repeats, it gets an elongated V look.

03-02-2006, 08:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
FenixStryk4 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 99	K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? I'm a hybrid right now and have only mastered Wallflying, barely knowing BF and SS throughout the years of playing... but, I have to ask, does it matter if you dash first or jump first in any K-based move? I dash before I jump, even though most instrucitons say jump first, however, it doesn't seem to make a difference since the inertia carries over after the dash. The only difference I can see is that there's a slightly longer delay in the switching since you can't switch until after the jump (so you'll either take a little longer per SS shot, or you won't slash during the movement), but the movement speed is faster... AM I like doing a n00b SS when I dash first, or am I just doing it an alternate way?

03-02-2006, 08:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
§hinoguN Gunzfactorian Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,067	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? it's best to jump then dash. __________________ Visual Kei

03-02-2006, 09:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
site Gunzfactorian Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 149	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? jump dash causes a downward slope like this \ dash jump causes a L like this _\| jump dash is better because you're naturally dodging bullets

03-02-2006, 09:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
§hinoguN Gunzfactorian Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,067	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Well Jump Dash also leads to more efficient and proper K-Style moves. I wouldn't imagine trying to do a half step Dashing first and then Jumping. It just wouldn't be possible. Same with SS. That would be called JSD instead of SS actually. (-.-) __________________ Visual Kei

03-02-2006, 09:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
~~Dark Ryu~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 916	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? jump then dash is the correct way. and it is ture for that dashing is best for avoiding damage.

03-02-2006, 10:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
INVuRTS Gunzfactorian Veteran Hero Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Far, far away. Posts: 4,386 INVuRTS's GamerBio	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? you can dash-jump-dash. Substitute "jump" with "while airborne" for the most accurate description. __________________

03-02-2006, 10:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
NSman Gunzfactorian Hero Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,790 NSman's GamerBio	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? The entire point of Kstyle is to increase your dodging abilities while maintaining the ability to shoot. Dashing then jumping gives you slower timing because you can't shoot during the dash, but you can shoot during the dash if you dash after your jump. Also, when you use dash jump, you are moving in a longer path at a constant speed...making you easier to shoot. __________________ http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/437725-post17.html <= My contribution to the Gunz community.

03-02-2006, 11:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hymnosi Gunzfactorian Postcount Demi-God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fort Knox (srsly) Posts: 8,626 Hymnosi's GamerBio	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? You cant slash cancel unless your in the air, and most k-style moves require you to slash directly after a dash so... I never dash on the ground unless im stuck by a massive or falling off a wall.

03-02-2006, 11:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Anthop Gunzfactorian Commando Golden Gunzfactorian Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,610	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Hmm.... I dunno about the claims that dashing last make you more evasive, but I >do< know that if you jump last, you risk rushing your slash-shot into your jump and end up slashing on the ground (getting stuck for the animation and making yourself vunerable to bullets). So I would generally try to jump first, if only for the sake of having a more reliable K-style. (And I think that's what counts most. Getting your skills to a point where you can rely on them not to screw up at a crucial moment :P.) __________________ Anthop && Aemi

03-02-2006, 11:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hymnosi Gunzfactorian Postcount Demi-God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fort Knox (srsly) Posts: 8,626 Hymnosi's GamerBio	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? For my own reference, isnt yoyo hop... Dash Jump shoot swap dash shoot?

03-02-2006, 11:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pointflash Gunzfactorian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CO, USA Posts: 104	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Generally it's better if you incorporate a dash into a jump. Dashing around on the ground and then jumping up and shoot is kinda pointless and awkward. So generally try to jump -> dash. There is a difference between where you put the dash inside the jump though. Most moves requires you to Jump -> dash BEFORE a sword slash, that makes you fall down to the ground really fast, as site said in a \ shape. I however found that moving around w/ silent flash step: jump -> slash and THEN dash gets me up stairs, around objects, up crates and ledges easier. Also aiming is slightly easier if you put a dash after a slashshot. This is basically like Jump-shoot-switchmelee-dash, but you don't just pull out your gun you still cancel it out. Two dashes, one before slash and one after slash, is a flashstep. You can try to do all K-style moves w/ the dash after melee-cancel and see how you feel.

03-03-2006, 03:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
Flix Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ..Places... Posts: 51	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Jump-dash is the proper way, it allows for more evasion, though I've never heard of someone dash-jumping.. __________________

03-03-2006, 03:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Beyondpower Gunzfactorian Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: `-` Posts: 1,357	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Actually there is no proper way, watch some kgunz replays some of them use: Dash > Jump > slashshot (or halfstep) You can use it when you are going around the corner for example.. so.. yeah. __________________ wtf?

03-03-2006, 04:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
Flix Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ..Places... Posts: 51	Re: K-styles: Dash=>Jump or Jump=>Dash? Does it matter? Eh, I was wrong, like I said, I've never heard of or seen any k-stylers dash-jumping. __________________