how to defeat butterflyers

-euthopia- · 11-30-2005, 12:33 AM

hi i'm new here and i know many of you people out there have some difficuties defeating butterflyers. well there are two ways: turtle(mostly works) and butterfly them back(if ur gd)

INVuRTS · 11-30-2005, 12:53 AM

That was both vague and useless.

Elaboration on "turtle" would be nice, as I'm still trying to get a 100% recoil rate on the blasted BFliers.

NSman · 11-30-2005, 01:01 AM

Since when is butterfly hard to counter? :lol:

Xtrasystolic · 11-30-2005, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NSman@Nov 30 2005, 09:01 AM
Since when is butterfly hard to counter? :lol:

Since forever

INVuRTS · 11-30-2005, 01:48 AM

Since I developed a reflexive countermassive?

I seriously can't help it. It's a passive muscle twitch. The moment I hear the "CHING!" I flick my mouse and click.

It lets me down more than it saves me.

dyserq · 11-30-2005, 05:14 AM

I think that anybody reading the forums in a day or two would've picked that up automatically without you having to tell them ...

Hymnosi · 11-30-2005, 08:43 AM

Counter Massives dont always work, expecially vs extremely good butterfliers who know how to stay in the slash range, but outside the massive range.(massive is slightly smaller then slashes) I can't exactly tell you how to beat them, but I can tell you how to atleast hurt them severely.

1. Roll backwards and shoot forwards - You have no idea how many times this has defeated me. Butterflying is no faster then a regular dash or roll, although it makes you alot harder to hit.

2. Look up while blocking - Skyblock as gladiators like to call it, makes jump slashes bounce off gaurds and temporarily stuns you. After you do this I suggest uppercutting and instakilling them. Dont use the massive as if they can butterfly well, they also know how to block massives.

big_freddy · 11-30-2005, 06:00 PM

You could always spray and evade.
Thats always fun.

Stevers · 11-30-2005, 06:27 PM

I usually use revolvers on them, though that only affects the novice BFers who know how to BF yet leave them selves open a lot by using obvious patterns. My revs suck though when I'm up against a pro BFer who knows how to hit Shift super fast and block half my shots.

The best thing I can think of to do is spray them or shotgun them in the legs, seeing as how its impossible to block that area, and they are always jumping up and down. Yet it barely does enough damage to there AP.

Shooting them as soon as they land is also a great idea, especially since most BFers will just use block while in air.

I usually just follow them around and try to dodge there pattern using tumbling, I do crazy stuff like run into walls then dash backwards, it messes them up like half the time.

***ValorduX*** · 11-30-2005, 06:44 PM

Personally, I think flashsteps the hardest to counter. It's both fast and effective/tricky. Watch someone use a butterfly on you. Then flashstep. If they get close enough, they'll kill you 2x faster than butterfly. Flashstep also tends to confuse me(whether it's going to be a ss or not).

NSman · 11-30-2005, 07:07 PM

No it's not......flash step has no blocking involved in it.

BigCJ · 11-30-2005, 07:11 PM

um.....u totally misunderstood him NSman
in a tdm k-stylers butterfly to get close you wit bf
after they are close they can:
1) bf u to death if u cant move = owned
2) do any other k-style attack upclose to you = pwned
3) any variation on ss/fs/hs/hhs/ms/etc = pwned as heck

***ValorduX*** · 11-30-2005, 08:21 PM

Ah, I see. Yep turtling helps. Another variation would be to first butterfly close. Then instead of simply butterflying, hold the block and run a little towards the person. Basically turtling, but a little less expected. If you watch some pros, they tend to do that often too.

NSman · 11-30-2005, 11:30 PM

If flash step is so hard to counter, why not just use it instead of butterfly?

I agree flash step is a very powerful and versatile attack at close range, but it's not that hard to counter.

Trigun · 12-01-2005, 12:30 AM

okay.. gunz is gunz.. seriously bfers and flashers and sword users in general are much easier when you kno were they are going and keep a well enough distant to do dmg yourself but hover around so you can bug the **** out of em enough they get pissed and miss.. dont be afraid to die from any k-stylers if your not one or not good at it.. its more constant with that quickswitching so they will miss mostly and if they arnt quite the pro with it, they will get stuck for a few secs because they sped into a wall or corner.. make your move then when it counts.

really that advice above is random ****, do what feels right.. no one can really train you or help u. help youself by figuring what eq you work the best with.

11-30-2005, 12:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
INVuRTS Gunzfactorian Veteran Hero Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Far, far away. Posts: 4,386 INVuRTS's GamerBio	That was both vague and useless. Elaboration on "turtle" would be nice, as I'm still trying to get a 100% recoil rate on the blasted BFliers. __________________

11-30-2005, 01:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
NSman Gunzfactorian Hero Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,790 NSman's GamerBio	Since when is butterfly hard to counter? :lol: __________________ http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/437725-post17.html <= My contribution to the Gunz community.

11-30-2005, 01:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
INVuRTS Gunzfactorian Veteran Hero Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Far, far away. Posts: 4,386 INVuRTS's GamerBio	Since I developed a reflexive countermassive? I seriously can't help it. It's a passive muscle twitch. The moment I hear the "CHING!" I flick my mouse and click. It lets me down more than it saves me. __________________

11-30-2005, 08:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hymnosi Gunzfactorian Postcount Demi-God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Fort Knox (srsly) Posts: 8,619 Hymnosi's GamerBio	Counter Massives dont always work, expecially vs extremely good butterfliers who know how to stay in the slash range, but outside the massive range.(massive is slightly smaller then slashes) I can't exactly tell you how to beat them, but I can tell you how to atleast hurt them severely. 1. Roll backwards and shoot forwards - You have no idea how many times this has defeated me. Butterflying is no faster then a regular dash or roll, although it makes you alot harder to hit. 2. Look up while blocking - Skyblock as gladiators like to call it, makes jump slashes bounce off gaurds and temporarily stuns you. After you do this I suggest uppercutting and instakilling them. Dont use the massive as if they can butterfly well, they also know how to block massives. __________________

11-30-2005, 06:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
big_freddy Gunzfactorian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 162	You could always spray and evade. Thats always fun. __________________ Name: big_freddy Weapons: Dagger, Rockets, Revs Style: None I just go with the flow baby! Favorite Level: Castle Least Favorite Level: Town

11-30-2005, 12:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
-euthopia- Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1	hi i'm new here and i know many of you people out there have some difficuties defeating butterflyers. well there are two ways: turtle(mostly works) and butterfly them back(if ur gd)

11-30-2005, 05:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
dyserq Citizen's 1,000 Post Avatar Contest Winner Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 113	I think that anybody reading the forums in a day or two would've picked that up automatically without you having to tell them ...

11-30-2005, 06:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stevers Gunzfactor Fan Artist Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21	I usually use revolvers on them, though that only affects the novice BFers who know how to BF yet leave them selves open a lot by using obvious patterns. My revs suck though when I'm up against a pro BFer who knows how to hit Shift super fast and block half my shots. The best thing I can think of to do is spray them or shotgun them in the legs, seeing as how its impossible to block that area, and they are always jumping up and down. Yet it barely does enough damage to there AP. Shooting them as soon as they land is also a great idea, especially since most BFers will just use block while in air. I usually just follow them around and try to dodge there pattern using tumbling, I do crazy stuff like run into walls then dash backwards, it messes them up like half the time. __________________ Fock Forum

11-30-2005, 06:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
*ValorduX* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 2,130	Personally, I think flashsteps the hardest to counter. It's both fast and effective/tricky. Watch someone use a butterfly on you. Then flashstep. If they get close enough, they'll kill you 2x faster than butterfly. Flashstep also tends to confuse me(whether it's going to be a ss or not). __________________ The Big List of Guides PM me if you would like your crosshair/screenshot/replay on the main site

11-30-2005, 07:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
NSman Gunzfactorian Hero Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,790 NSman's GamerBio	No it's not......flash step has no blocking involved in it. __________________ http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/437725-post17.html <= My contribution to the Gunz community.

11-30-2005, 07:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
BigCJ Gunzfactorian Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,047 BigCJ's GamerBio	um.....u totally misunderstood him NSman in a tdm k-stylers butterfly to get close you wit bf after they are close they can: 1) bf u to death if u cant move = owned 2) do any other k-style attack upclose to you = pwned 3) any variation on ss/fs/hs/hhs/ms/etc = pwned as heck __________________ Click My Sig For The Newest GzF Fad.. Did you know BigCJ likes to TeaBag?

11-30-2005, 08:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
*ValorduX* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 2,130	Ah, I see. Yep turtling helps. Another variation would be to first butterfly close. Then instead of simply butterflying, hold the block and run a little towards the person. Basically turtling, but a little less expected. If you watch some pros, they tend to do that often too. __________________ The Big List of Guides PM me if you would like your crosshair/screenshot/replay on the main site

11-30-2005, 11:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
NSman Gunzfactorian Hero Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,790 NSman's GamerBio	If flash step is so hard to counter, why not just use it instead of butterfly? I agree flash step is a very powerful and versatile attack at close range, but it's not that hard to counter. __________________ http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/437725-post17.html <= My contribution to the Gunz community.

12-01-2005, 12:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
Trigun Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27	okay.. gunz is gunz.. seriously bfers and flashers and sword users in general are much easier when you kno were they are going and keep a well enough distant to do dmg yourself but hover around so you can bug the ** out of em enough they get pissed and miss.. dont be afraid to die from any k-stylers if your not one or not good at it.. its more constant with that quickswitching so they will miss mostly and if they arnt quite the pro with it, they will get stuck for a few secs because they sped into a wall or corner.. make your move then when it counts. really that advice above is random **, do what feels right.. no one can really train you or help u. help youself by figuring what eq you work the best with. __________________