Rioshu - The Magnet of Pbs

[Rioshu]

Where should I begin...?

Paragraph 1: Deathmatches
I...suck! I get ksed every second and get my kills interrupted by being killed, that is, if I'm even lucky enough to find a player weak enough to kill. I try to make myself a difficult target (half stepping, wall zig zaging), and it rarely works. When I fire shots, the opponent destroys me with pbs/revs/Sword []
I can't aim in tight spaces and I always get dted or fall into an opponent's Oblivion Flip.

Paragraph 2: The Duel Match/ 1 v 1s
Heh...the deal: I make myself a difficult target to shoot, but when I'm moving quickly, I can't aim myself. When I take my time to aim presicely, the opponent fires 3 bullets into me before I can land a hit. I'm too slow, AND too fast. I'm falling into the person's CoD, and my frustration with my skills alters my performance as well. Not to mention I'm only level 39 with no prems ('cept a gifted Iron Crow), and everyone else has cruz and Avenger,
maybe B8... Like I may have stated earlier, I'm sort of a close range fighter, but I take awhile to pb and I'm not that quickly paced. My ss and hs never hits unless I spam it, and by then I'm dead. The only flip move I know is instafall, and I haven't even mastered it yet. I can't lead and when I die, my opponent's usually have lb. Today, I've gotten one kill. Seriously.

Just letting you know, maybe seeking advice. Perhaps there exists a style of play that suits someoone like me. I'm a K-styler, btw.

[LittleJP]

Learn to aim.

Real quick

Using a small dot crosshair will help.

[Aoshi538]

Originally Posted by Rioshu

Where should I begin...?

Paragraph 1: Deathmatches
I...suck! I get ksed every second and get my kills interrupted by being killed, that is, if I'm even lucky enough to find a player weak enough to kill. I try to make myself a difficult target (half stepping, wall zig zaging), and it rarely works. When I fire shots, the opponent destroys me with pbs/revs/Sword []
I can't aim in tight spaces and I always get dted or fall into an opponent's Oblivion Flip.

Paragraph 2: The Duel Match/ 1 v 1s
Heh...the deal: I make myself a difficult target to shoot, but when I'm moving quickly, I can't aim myself. When I take my time to aim presicely, the opponent fires 3 bullets into me before I can land a hit. I'm too slow, AND too fast. I'm falling into the person's CoD, and my frustration with my skills alters my performance as well. Not to mention I'm only level 39 with no prems ('cept a gifted Iron Crow), and everyone else has cruz and Avenger,
maybe B8... Like I may have stated earlier, I'm sort of a close range fighter, but I take awhile to pb and I'm not that quickly paced. My ss and hs never hits unless I spam it, and by then I'm dead. The only flip move I know is instafall, and I haven't even mastered it yet. I can't lead and when I die, my opponent's usually have lb. Today, I've gotten one kill. Seriously.

Just letting you know, maybe seeking advice. Perhaps there exists a style of play that suits someoone like me. I'm a K-styler, btw.

1: Get good enough so you don't need someone to already be injured to kill. That'll help a lot.

Also, finish your kills with a PB so you don't get ksed.

2: Skill > Levels and prems.

I'm only level 35 and I can get ATLEAST a 2/1 k/d ratio in a Duel match.

Also, you have a common problem. Most K-stylers can't aim worth crap. Try pressing your right click twice. Once to slash and then once again when your aiming reticule is on the opponent. You DONT have to hold it down. It'll make aiming MUCH easier.

Try it.

[Rioshu]

I think that that's what I do, ss, wait a sec, Beep! The prob is that I Can't kill fast enough, because they're just to quick 4 me. Hmm.. if you want an example, take a look at my thread in the replay section.

[Phaze]

so many problems might as well just kill yourself

[1000cranes]

type /kick

[Sociometry]

Use a rifle or an smg since you can't aim well.

[STM1993]

I'll assume you're using two Breakers...

Level 39, bad aim, can't lead right? Got a few suggestions for WEAPONS: (don't worry about getting called sprayer or noob whatever)

1. Rifle
You can use a rifle if you want (lighter than SMGs and MG). As your aim is not too good and you normally fight at close range, you would need a bigger spreading range, so Maxwell's a not so good option. Since you're levl 39 now, use the Maxwell LX44 first. When you are level 42, get a Nico R7. If you want, when you're level 50, get a Walcom Warrior 88.

2. SMGs (maybe + Avenger shotgun)
A pair of SMGs are good alternatives to dual Breakers. They fire fast, deal a lot of damage (especially to AP) and has a big spread. Use Renards if you want ammo and speed. Use Walcom if you're up for higher damage. If you want to carry a second weapon along with the SMGs, buy an Avenger shotgun as it is light. Practise switching between SMGs and the Avenger. When you can PB but not confident, take your SMGs and shoot. If you're confident, take them out with a single shot of the Avenger, then switch to SMGs again. Actually, the +Avenger shotgun thing can also apply to the rifle.

3. MG
The MG is another alternative to SMGs and Dual Breakers. They fire slower, just as heavy, but they deal good damage and have an incredibly large clip, which allows you to spray without stopping for a very long period of time. Collect one ammo clip, and you'd refill all the ammo of the MG. Like above, if you want to add a secondary, use an Avenger the same way as above.

4. Dual Breakers
Actually, with some practice, dual Breakers are already good enough. Just need to shoot faster (learn Reload Shot! Can help.) and that's it. Try to get close.

I did not recommend:
Pistols/Revolvers: They require good aim, which you probably do not have.

Rockets: You are a close-ranged fighter and you claimed to be unable to lead. Using rockets require some leading skills. Also, since it is explosive, you're bound to kill yourself very often.

Everything is practice, remember that. But these are some weapon suggestions to help you out.

[SoniK]

i used to be like you, so tip: dont hold the fire button, and wait till your opponent is on the crosshair

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by Sociometry

Use a rifle or an smg since you can't aim well.

Rifles require quite decent tracking and aim. SMGs might be useful since you fight at close range, learn how to use them maybe. Rev's are good for damage and may force you aim to improve a little (i find if i rely on shotguns my aim goes to pot). Pistols are quite good IMO but probably not suited to you, or for k-style.

Your problems are quite common. STM1993 had some good suggestions for weapons too. Personally I recomend you go back to basics, maybe start a new char. I'll try and break this down into varrious points.

I'm guessing your the kind of player who uses butterfly alot, and spams SS and HS, some RS etc but rarely use other moves. Am i right? Go look up some guides here and try to learn moves like JSD etc that are far more basic but still effective.

Try using a dagger for a bit. You'll learn to relay more on your gunz and use the dagger to really move more than anything else. Should force you to think strategicly and improve gun play. Learn YoYo ;p

If you like to fight at close range you gotta lean how to really use a sword. Start playing some glad matches and use butterfly sparingly (Trust me, as good as this move is, its over rated even more). Look up some gladiator guides here.

In regards to leading. Its not an exact science by any means but there are plenty of threads that will give you an idea of where to aim. Experiment yourself. Even with little lag i still lead slightly on people. I frequently check who is lagging by how much in a game and during a fight if i get a chance and try adjusting my aim to suit that. Or simply look for games with few laggers in.

When you fight try to think conciously about what you are doing, so many people fly on automatic in these games. Then when you die think over what happened when you died? When did you recieve most damage? What were you doing at the time? What could you attempt to avoid that? Trust me, a smart player can destroy better players who just don't think as much.

Fast movement is not half as good as controlled speed and less predictable movements.

Its true a lot of this comes down to practice and experience. Sorry but its just gonna take you time and hard work to work a lot of these things out for yourself.

[STM1993]

Right, I'd like to add on a bit:

Dual Breakers:
I said that they are actually still okay, because they also have a VERY big spread, which can be helpful for shotgun spamming at mid-range and you don't really need much aiming.

Adding on to what An Amateur has said, I'm not asking you to follow what I said 100%. You can go against it by trying out the revolvers or rockets (not pistols definitely though).

Revolvers help you to train up your DIRECT aiming and some leading the hard way. In other words, you will learn to aim directly at one spot and shoot off once. Rockets help you to train up purely on leading very easily, just remember always aim at a wall or the floor. Using rockets will also help you to learn some basic evasion skills, as you'd probably gonna be moving backwards while firing a rocket forward just in case the enemy is too close to you.

Rifles are decent (especially if it is the Maxwell rifle). For rifles, it trains your TRACKING aim. In other words, you are training your aim by following your target with your cursor. Actually, this applies to all automatic weapons, but using the Maxwell or Nico rifle for this is the best since they have the accuracy.

Other automatic weapons have a big spread, so they are easier to use in the beginning. Then again, it comes down to practice.

Like An Amateur has said, control is better than speed. I'd rather you slow down, die more but also kill a lot more and eventually speed up rather than have a major problem because of poor control.

I'd say, if you really find it too much of a problem to train up, a few ideas to help you:

1. Don't bother K-Styling. You should only wall cancel and no other k-style moves for you. Yes, it works, trust me. I am a turtler (always blocks) and don't know and can't k-style. I found it a bit better than my previous play style. Currently I have super heavy armor which keeps me alive, but I'm gonna slowly learn to reduce my armor and add on to my medkits and grenades.

With this, you will rely on your guns very often and using your sword more for defense. Okay, maybe you will still use the sword a lot like me, but it helps.

2. Start a new character, like what An Amateur has said. It really helps you start completely afresh and learn slowly.

[Rioshu]

With revs, I hit about 1/9 attempts with ss and hs, unless I'm comboing at close range.
Wirh rev spam, I usually hit aboit 2-3 times before my clip is gone.

"Like An Amateur has said, control is better than speed. I'd rather you slow down, die more but also kill a lot more and eventually speed up rather than have a major problem because of poor control."
With sgs I do that, but revs (against my opponents) require accuracy AND speed, forcing me to rush and die. My current ss is 3/5, 5/5 if I'm facing a noob...
my hs is 1/5 (lol).
Rssing is tough for me, because I'm going at the same speed as normal ss.




When you rss, should you be able to fire repeatedly with the same weapon, or is the delay still too high, because I usually
wep1 > ss
wep2 >ss And repeat.

"i used to be like you, so tip: dont hold the fire button, and wait till your opponent is on the crosshair" I do this already :P ty tho.

Against super-elite opponents, I suck at first, but I'm GRADUALLY improving. Im about a week, I might post a rematch with fifle :P I'm a quick learner (learned instafall in 5 minutes). I can kill some of em now...thanks for the tips and help, people.

I'll post a replay of me in a DM using rockets.

[Tenshio]

didnt expect to find ryoshu posting in here and ryo theres an easier way then remaking find someone who will help you practice on them

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by Rioshu

With sgs I do that, but revs (against my opponents) require accuracy AND speed, forcing me to rush and die. My current ss is 3/5, 5/5 if I'm facing a noob...
my hs is 1/5 (lol).

Thats you hit:miss ratio when you use those moves? Should tell you a lot about how you ought to play then. Rather than spamming one move mix them up, and use the moves you hit most with when you confident of a clear shot. HS which you hardly hit with, practice and use more as a kind of "covering fire" to control your oponnents movements etc. Thats my take on the information you presented, but it should be an example of what a thinking player does.

When you rss, should you be able to fire repeatedly with the same weapon, or is the delay still too high, because I usually
wep1 > ss
wep2 >ss And repeat.

Erm well RSS is one shot in an SS you just hit reload to shoten the switch back to sword. So its unlikely that you can start a new SS before that deley is finished. If your talking about SS->RS thats basically just ss but with an RS stuck on the end, the whole point of which is to switch 2 weapons faster.SO no.

[Rioshu]

"HS which you hardly hit with, practice and use more as a kind of "covering fire" to control your oponnents movements etc."
I used to do that with rockets; shoot toward a pillar, forcing them to come so that I could shotgun em.

Also, Tenshio, call me Rioshu or Rio, this isn't Street Fighter, XD (jk call me anything).