Mainstream media and religion

[waterbuster]

Ive been noticing alot of confusion going into religion and christianity in general nowadays.

"God hates gays"

"Christians believe that they cant go to the doctor because jesus will cure them"

"Christians cant believe in science"

Is anyone seeing this? I see this crap on cnn and foxnews every day and I understand now where stereotypical comments like these are coming from. Its amazing.

[Rivenwolf]

Yep, america sucks in a lot of respects, the 60+% christianity rate (with most of them knowing less about their religion then people who don't even share their beliefs) is one of them.

[Error Occurred]

I love those tv ministers.

[manofsparrow]

Yeah, too bad there are actually some Christians like that.

[Soule]

Originally Posted by waterbuster

Ive been noticing alot of confusion going into religion and christianity in general nowadays.

"God hates gays"

"Christians believe that they cant go to the doctor because jesus will cure them"

"Christians cant believe in science"

Is anyone seeing this? I see this crap on cnn and foxnews every day and I understand now where stereotypical comments like these are coming from. Its amazing.

i find it ironic how you complain about mainstream media being stereotypical about christianity. have you seen the amount of bull***** that the media has going on about paganism? i have two words for you. "The Craft".

[HealthPack]

America is a country controlled largely by one religion, when the leaders political or religious have crazy ideas they tend to be forced upon everyone else.

The world would be a much better place if we abandoned religion and just let everyone think up their own beliefs and meanings for our existence. Groups just create conflict.

[waterbuster]

Originally Posted by Soule

i find it ironic how you complain about mainstream media being stereotypical about christianity. have you seen the amount of bull***** that the media has going on about paganism? i have two words for you. "The Craft".

What about the blacks?

The gays?

Since when in the last year have you heard about paganism?

[waterbuster]

Originally Posted by HealthPack

The world would be a much better place if we abandoned religion and just let everyone think up their own beliefs and meanings for our existence. Groups just create conflict.

Not trying to pick a fight here, but isnt that what religion is?

[vamp_shugo]

true, the main religions of our world follow the same theme:

~rules to make people better
~overseer that conducts rules and establishes reality
~and a incentive if they follow the rules aka heaven

~Theres absolutely no problem with religion itself just the peopel that worship it. We as people cannot understand the truth of reality because if we did we wouldn't have religion it would be us. I myself do believe in go because the idea of two universes coming out of nowhere and blowing up is irrational.

[shintenzu]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

Yeah, too bad there are actually some Christians like that.

Too bad that does not mean that Christianity supports it.

How about when a few athiests murder a sh1t load of people cuz he does not value life. Or christian bashing atheists who force their atheistic view on people, yet get angry when christians do the same?

Now if I was to categorize all atheists in such a manner, I would be about as accurate as all the christian stereotypes going around.

Originally Posted by Soule

i find it ironic how you complain about mainstream media being stereotypical about christianity. have you seen the amount of bull***** that the media has going on about paganism? i have two words for you. "The Craft".

Yes I have seen the recent amount... 1 its called "The Craft". Have you honestly seen much more that is actually comonly viewed?

Originally Posted by HealthPack

America is a country controlled largely by one religion, when the leaders political or religious have crazy ideas they tend to be forced upon everyone else.

The world would be a much better place if we abandoned religion and just let everyone think up their own beliefs and meanings for our existence. Groups just create conflict.

To the first part. The religion that largely controls america is atheism, because christianity is constantly being excluding due to the misinterpretation of the phrase "Seperation of church and state". Notice it says CHURCH and state, not christianity and state. You would think that people with common sense would realize they meant denominations such as say.... THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND or ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? Which was the main thing they did not want to repeat: A national denomination.

As to the second part... Your saying we should abandon religion, then think up their own religion. Makes absolutely no sense as religion is simply beliefs and meanings of existance, and people HAVE thought up their own.

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by shintenzu

Too bad that does not mean that Christianity supports it.

How about when a few athiests murder a sh1t load of people cuz he does not value life. Or christian bashing atheists who force their atheistic view on people, yet get angry when christians do the same?

Now if I was to categorize all atheists in such a manner, I would be about as accurate as all the christian stereotypes going around.

Atheists don't do the things they do in the name of Atheism.

To the first part. The religion that largely controls america is atheism, because christianity is constantly being excluding due to the misinterpretation of the phrase "Seperation of church and state". Notice it says CHURCH and state, not christianity and state. You would think that people with common sense would realize they meant denominations such as say.... THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND or ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? Which was the main thing they did not want to repeat: A national denomination.

Every single President in the U.S. was a Christian.
And George Bush (I forget which one) said something about how Presidents should be Christian.

So, Christianity has some control in America.

[Terraka]

Atheists belive what they want to believe, its their choice. In fact, that goes for everyone else. These differences in 'beliefs' will always cause strife between different groups. In fact, almost all differences will cause some sort of conflict at some level. It is just up to us to cope with it.

[Rivenwolf]

To the first part. The religion that largely controls america is atheism, because christianity is constantly being excluding due to the misinterpretation of the phrase "Seperation of church and state". Notice it says CHURCH and state, not christianity and state. You would think that people with common sense would realize they meant denominations such as say.... THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND or ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? Which was the main thing they did not want to repeat: A national denomination.

As to the second part... Your saying we should abandon religion, then think up their own religion. Makes absolutely no sense as religion is simply beliefs and meanings of existance, and people HAVE thought up their own.

You REALLY need to research your **** before you post, atheism comprises if i remember right 0.4% of americans, Largest Religious Groups in the USA(and yes they're are more recent ones with about the same statistics) and btw, I have never met an atheist that has brought up the subject of discussing not beleaving in god, we just will tell you what we think when you ask why we're atheist. On the other hand pretty much every christian i've ever told has tried to convince me to believe in god, that is not an exaggeration.

On that note, almost every atheist i've ever met has lived under a "i'll let you believe what you want as long as you don't interfere with my life" e.g the pledge, "in god we trust" on coins and now about to be license plates, trying to get creationism in the curriculem.

Too bad that does not mean that Christianity supports it.

How about when a few athiests murder a sh1t load of people cuz he does not value life. Or christian bashing atheists who force their atheistic view on people, yet get angry when christians do the same?

Now if I was to categorize all atheists in such a manner, I would be about as accurate as all the christian stereotypes going around.

1. Christianity is an idea, idea's have no direct physical meaning in life.

2. How about pretty much every other criminal in the U.S doing pretty much everything else and them all being christians, go google a poll, i have to go out to eat. (yes that is a bit of an exaggeration)

3. Christian "stereotypes" are based on a large number of the members of it forcing views on others.

waterbuster being an exception, a huge exception mang. he faux pro.

[shintenzu]

Originally Posted by Rivenwolf

You REALLY need to research your **** before you post, atheism comprises if i remember right 0.4% of americans, Largest Religious Groups in the USA(and yes they're are more recent ones with about the same statistics) and btw, I have never met an atheist that has brought up the subject of discussing not beleaving in god, we just will tell you what we think when you ask why we're atheist. On the other hand pretty much every christian i've ever told has tried to convince me to believe in god, that is not an exaggeration.

Even if it is not the most popular religion, you cannot deny that its policies have been constantly infiltrated into the goverment. Plus many atheists don't preach their beliefs in order to convince others, they simply input things into the media and such in order to make others doubt other religions. Alot tend to be FAR more out spoken on the internet, trying to "disprove" Christianity with poorly contructed arguements nd out-of-context scriptures. Laws limiting the displayment of nativity scenes during christmas is an atheist act. The 10 commandments being moved is an atheist act. Attempting to remove prayer in schools is an atheist act. I could keep on going with lists of how such a small amount of atheists have a fairly large hand in the government. Maybe YOU need to research your sh1t.

Note I am not talking about ALL atheists, this is just an account of the ones who are loud. I actually have a good amount of atheist friends that I get along with very well, we simply joke with each other about our beliefs.

One thing I have noticed more than anything is that Atheism attacks Christianity far more than any other popular religion. In fact they seem to sometimes sympathize with most religions EXCEPT Christianity. Are we realy that much of a threat to you?

On that note, almost every atheist i've ever met has lived under a "i'll let you believe what you want as long as you don't interfere with my life" e.g the pledge, "in god we trust" on coins and now about to be license plates, trying to get creationism in the curriculem.

Guess who originally put that there? The people who founded your country... They should stay on the coins because that is how they where originally minted when they where first created. Do not try to change a age long american tradition, get a wave of two different coin formats simply because you dont like the "In God we trust". Although I personally do not believe they should be put on license plates.

1. Christianity is an idea, idea's have no direct physical meaning in life.

Ironically Atheism is also an idea. There is no Atheist that can proove God does not exist because he simply was not there at the begining of time. All he can do is list a bunch of ways he thinks God should have acted yet didn't, but since God is not man its kinda obvious why he doesn't always act the way we would expect.

2. How about pretty much every other criminal in the U.S doing pretty much everything else and them all being christians, go google a poll, i have to go out to eat. (yes that is a bit of an exaggeration)

Polls are extremely inaccurate as a simple twist in wordings will ruin the accuracy of an etire poll. Get me acredited scientific polls and you can discuss. Your trying to say Christians make up the magority of people in jail or something? Or are you forgetting that people tend to convert in jail.

3. Christian "stereotypes" are based on a large number of the members of it forcing views on others.

Christian stereotypes are based on a fraction of outspoken Christians. Think of this, there are billions and billions of Christians in the world. You only get to activly see the acts of maybe a thousand of less. Do you really think this small percentage is a true reflection of ALL Christians?

waterbuster being an exception, a huge exception mang. he faux pro.

I have to agree with you there, I respect him alot too.

[Rivenwolf]

Wish you wouldn't make such a long post for me to tear apart Zzz, i'm lazy u know.

Even if it is not the most popular religion, you cannot deny that its policies have been constantly infiltrated into the goverment. Plus many atheists don't preach their beliefs in order to convince others, they simply input things into the media and such in order to make others doubt other religions. Alot tend to be FAR more out spoken on the internet, trying to "disprove" Christianity with poorly contructed arguements nd out-of-context scriptures. Laws limiting the displayment of nativity scenes during christmas is an atheist act. The 10 commandments being moved is an atheist act. Attempting to remove prayer in schools is an atheist act. I could keep on going with lists of how such a small amount of atheists have a fairly large hand in the government. Maybe YOU need to research your sh1t.

Note I am not talking about ALL atheists, this is just an account of the ones who are loud. I actually have a good amount of atheist friends that I get along with very well, we simply joke with each other about our beliefs.

One thing I have noticed more than anything is that Atheism attacks Christianity far more than any other popular religion. In fact they seem to sometimes sympathize with most religions EXCEPT Christianity. Are we realy that much of a threat to you?

1. I don't know what atheist arguements you heard, but i've never seen a poorly constructed reason against the existence of a god (atleast i haven't from people who aren't random). We get prayer out of schools because it infringes on our rights, i.e freedom of religion, i don't beleave your stuff, therefore i don't need to be forced to say your stuff, simple.

We target christianity because christians that usually force beleafs on us, and infringe on our rights, and display their religion everywhere. I'm researched well in my beleafs, those acts of "infiltration" are called taking back our rights. The goverment is mostly made up of christians, i don't know where you're getting your info, but it isn't reliable.

Guess who originally put that there? The people who founded your country... They should stay on the coins because that is how they where originally minted when they where first created. Do not try to change a age long american tradition, get a wave of two different coin formats simply because you dont like the "In God we trust". Although I personally do not believe they should be put on license plates.

Once again your wrong, In God We Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust".

It should be removed because it infringes on my rights, that "age long tradition" is only 50 years old at most.

Ironically Atheism is also an idea. There is no Atheist that can proove God does not exist because he simply was not there at the begining of time. All he can do is list a bunch of ways he thinks God should have acted yet didn't, but since God is not man its kinda obvious why he doesn't always act the way we would expect.

No christian can prove god exists, you can't disprove there is a flying spaghetti monster that you can't see/touch/smell/hear/feel therefore under your logic is must be there, right?

God doesn't exist because it is not logical, nor is there any proof other then a 3,000 year old book that's been changed by many humans in many different ways over many years.

Polls are extremely inaccurate as a simple twist in wordings will ruin the accuracy of an etire poll. Get me acredited scientific polls and you can discuss. Your trying to say Christians make up the magority of people in jail or something? Or are you forgetting that people tend to convert in jail.

Polls on religions in prisons are not scientific, why would anyone publish one? Whether they convert or not, they would still be christians, and yes i'm saying christians make up the majority of people in jail, I can confidently say that just on the amount of beleavers that live in the USA.

Christian stereotypes are based on a fraction of outspoken Christians. Think of this, there are billions and billions of Christians in the world. You only get to activly see the acts of maybe a thousand of less. Do you really think this small percentage is a true reflection of ALL Christians?

I take them as I see them, unsurprisingly i see a lot of people forcing religion on others. For example you thinking that prayer in schools doesn't infringe on my rights, nor do you think in god we trust should be removed from coins so i don't have to be reminded of a mythical being(in my mind) everytime i earn a coin.

I wouldn't mind if christians stuck to their corner with their beliefs, but they don't, they're in my goverment, in my schools. They prevent gays from marrying, they spread that atheists will go to hell, I have to see evangelists on t.v when i'm channel surfing, in other more childish words, i could put it as

"You started it"