Donate a kidney for 6 months off your jailtime.

[Becci]

So I read the paper on Saturday, and it had something pretty interesting on it. It was about the idea of people in prison donating organs so their sentence will be shortened (in some cases, 6 months off). Obviously people with life sentence would find 6 months negligible, but people with maybe a few years in jail would think of it as a very persuasive incentive to donate.

I've got mixed emotions on this, but here's a rundown of what has been going on in my head:

• Imagine how many people in prison would donate. Organ donors are desperately needed right now, and this sort of thing can save many lives. (People getting out of prison earlier vs. people in need for organs?)
• Is it morally correct to put a price on an organ? Donating an organ away is an altruistic act, but buying or trading it for something is not. If you put those incentives into the equation, you're basically selling a part of yourself away. How is this different from prostitutes, who sell their body for money?
• However, these people were put into prison for a reason: they broke the law. And even if you give an organ away, this doesn't change the fact that they're not serving their planned full time. Isn't this a flawed system of justice?
• Imagine the impact this would have. It's almost like you're treating people in prison like organ machines. The pressure you'd receive for donating an organ would be pretty heavy; can the inmates ever really give their true consent?
  I mean, it would be much more likely for someone to donate their kidney if they were in jail if the prospect were to be free earlier, but for someone who is not in jail, the incentive isn't very high. This is kind of manipulative, in my opinion.

Discuss.

[Firedauz]

Argu, which paper is that from? Got an online source/article?

This would also depends on the number of organs donated vs how much time-off one gets from each organs. The more you donate, the more months you get-off? Not to mention the specific types of donation ~ donating a kidney = 6 months; donating blood = 1 month? From the looks here, how might stoppped them or the people running the program from accepting donations of limbs? It would just be a matter of time before a donation of a right leg = 15-20 years off, and oh how all those murderesrs & rapist would gladly see the surgeons.

Of course, in my post here, I'm looking at the view of those prison inmates, not entirely on those that needs the organs.

[Becci]

Kidney or bone marrow = 180 days. In that particular article, no other possible organ donations were mentioned. I'm also trying to find a source online for you, as I only have it printed on a paper here. It might be from SCMP (south china morning post), but I would google "Jail time cut for organ donors mulled" (since that is the headline of the article). (:

I agree, set standards do have to be finalized. The idea is that this is supposed to be a method that would not only help the thousands of people who die will without organ donors, but the inmates would be rewarded for their 'good' acts (although whether or not it's actually good is questionnable). To strike a balance, I think, is pretty important. What do you think, a few criminals running around on the street, in exchange for a few lives saved?

I strongly doubt they would let anybody try and cut off their limbs for whatever reason, since I was unaware you could donate an arm, but whatever. xD They would draw a line from rapists and murderers being able to 'trade' their way out of jail (wow, that sounds slightly satanic).

[Matt[CV]]

Haha, sounds good.

[fallen_leaf]

Originally Posted by Argument

• Imagine how many people in prison would donate. Organ donors are desperately needed right now, and this sort of thing can save many lives. (People getting out of prison earlier vs. people in need for organs?)
• Is it morally correct to put a price on an organ? Donating an organ away is an altruistic act, but buying or trading it for something is not. If you put those incentives into the equation, you're basically selling a part of yourself away. How is this different from prostitutes, who sell their body for money?
• However, these people were put into prison for a reason: they broke the law. And even if you give an organ away, this doesn't change the fact that they're not serving their planned full time. Isn't this a flawed system of justice?
• Imagine the impact this would have. It's almost like you're treating people in prison like organ machines. The pressure you'd receive for donating an organ would be pretty heavy; can the inmates ever really give their true consent?
  I mean, it would be much more likely for someone to donate their kidney if they were in jail if the prospect were to be free earlier, but for someone who is not in jail, the incentive isn't very high. This is kind of manipulative, in my opinion.

There are so many ways to see this. This is one and I agree it pretty much.

How is this different from prostitutes, who sell their body for money?

(Quite much but I'm too tired to try explain it in plain english. >_>) You don't do it for money, you don't sell "pleasure/sex", and this is important for someone who might be in need of a kidney or something.
(I know what you meant with it but I'm just being bored/weird, so yahh...)

I mean, it would be much more likely for someone to donate their kidney if they were in jail if the prospect were to be free earlier, but for someone who is not in jail, the incentive isn't very high. This is kind of manipulative, in my opinion.

And yeah, think how many of the prisoners would do it if they wouldn't be in jail?

I don't think it's even right, it's like buying freedom for killers/murderers/rapists/etc with kidneys or some other parts of the human body. Tho' there's a good side that it really does help someone who has own organ problems.
I actually have no idea should I support or "differ" this.
It'd be better if the prisoners would get a better place in the jail. (Like a cell with something better? Playstation lol? Or transfer to other detachment.)

[Heidenreich5]

How much for a lung?

[Gatecrasher]

4AM, I'll comment on this later today.

[JinDaYi]

And here I am with only one Kidney. I cant even win in jail.

Originally Posted by fallen_leaf

(Quite much but I'm too tired to try explain it in plain english. >_>) You don't do it for money, you don't sell "pleasure/sex", and this is important for someone who might be in need of a kidney or something.
(I know what you meant with it but I'm just being bored/weird, so yahh...)

Uhh. People take pleasure in freedom. I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same thing with seperate acts at hand. I doubt some guy who went around killing people is going to donate his kidney for the purpose of saving a life. Should he do so, denial.

Originally Posted by fallen_leaf

I don't think it's even right, it's like buying freedom for killers/murderers/rapists/etc with kidneys or some other parts of the human body. Tho' there's a good side that it really does help someone who has own organ problems.

I'm certain that, if I needed a kidney transplant of some sort, I'd rather just die than to get it from some pedophile who cant wait it out a few months or so as scheduled.

[pink_bullet]

Originally Posted by JinDaYi

I'm certain that, if I needed a kidney transplant of some sort, I'd rather just die than to get it from some pedophile who cant wait it out a few months or so as scheduled.

that does make one think more on it.

[JinDaYi]

^I wouldn't suddenly think "Oh, a rapist donated his kidney, for me? How nice, he must have really changed his ways. Send him some flowers!".

Definitely not.

[Socks]

Prisoner 1 (standing beind Prisoner 2): Oh Bob, your donating an organ too?
Prisoner 2: Oh yeah, it's a pretty long line. Good thing I'm next.
Surgeon: OK EVERYONE! I ONLY NEED ONE MORE KIDNEY AND I'M CLOSING!
*Prisoner 1 pushes Prisoner 2 out of the line*
*Other prisoners join in*
*Chaos*

At least prisoners won't live as long when they get out of jail.

[Diamons Shadow]

Originally Posted by JinDaYi

^I wouldn't suddenly think "Oh, a rapist donated his kidney, for me? How nice, he must have really changed his ways. Send him some flowers!".

Definitely not.

You don't want to give a person another chance? They're cutting themself up just to get another chance and help someone in the process, and you still refuse to think they've changed their ways?

I know many people would do it just to get out, but there are those that have changed.

[TripleKill]

hmm organs 2 get outta jail
i just relized
if we let those guys out
tehy might commit another crime

[JinDaYi]

There's no redemption in organ donations.

[Ashlyed]

Aside from the system, how about if the prisoner's kidney is not medicaly healthy? And then, I believe it is acceptable, many good citizens outhere are waiting for the donations ( and they wouldn't hestitate for 'extra' money hmm ). And then, all prisoners only have this chance once in lifetime since humans can survive with one kidney. But I am afraid is whether the law also allowed for the prisoner that have the repayment back for the lost good.
Or those who re-purchase their kidney back and attached them back.

Donate-repurchase-donate-repurchase-donate-bail. Such flaw if it is possible.

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