What do you think of this argument?

Koreanpunk · 10-22-2006, 10:03 PM

this is a story maybe many of you have heard. The main argument is one that alot of people who aren't christians bring up and that is that if God created everything that he created good and evil. Ok here is the story and tell me what you think of it
Does evil exist?

The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!"

"God created everything? The professor asked.

"Yes sir", the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name — Albert Einstein.
EDIT
This story was not created by me for any of you who think so sorry for any confusion

waterbuster · 10-22-2006, 10:30 PM

That my friend, is a win. +rep for you.

darkjut · 10-22-2006, 11:09 PM

i must say, even i did not know about that. this is the one time i will ever take my pride and swallow it. not only do i give you plus rep, you have gained my upmost respect. even though i know i could come up with something to put agaisnt this, i will not simply because of the awe it has put me in. my thoughts on this will not be poison to the forums this time.

korean, you are the first one to ever make me speechless. props to you.

Mo Hawk · 10-22-2006, 11:14 PM

o look another god thread......

waterbuster · 10-22-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo Hawk

o look another god thread......

oh look! another pokemon sig! MCGRUFF KILL!

Mo Hawk · 10-22-2006, 11:28 PM

Get off u damn dog!
ty i should change sig.

Koreanpunk · 10-22-2006, 11:45 PM

well ty 4 the compliment and rep +

but man i am taking this class logic and i have a bunch of crazy stuff in my journal or however u spell it. I think i will share it sum times lol sum time* grr.... stupid me i can't spell

**Anga** · 10-23-2006, 12:14 AM

Nice story.

The professor is a nub at philosophy. In fact, I really can't respect a professor that would rather impose his beliefs on students than actually teach.

Thanks to spreading of story idiots don't bring this argument up when they try to prove the God doesn't exist. I'm agnostic but I've always hated this argument since it is so poorly constructed. It's right up there with the "I feel him in my heart" argument.

Koreanpunk · 10-23-2006, 12:18 AM

one thing i would like 2 point out on this argument that it is highly flawed. Because Christians believe that God is omnipresent and the example was that evil is the absence of God that would mean then God is not omnipresent am i right?

GotohellPWND · 10-23-2006, 12:24 AM

i bet this kid just made this up and is trying to act clever. time to hijack this thread now we talk talk about

Mwuu · 10-23-2006, 12:33 AM

I have to disagree, on principle.
Evil, in my eyes, is the absence of good.
Ironic that evil could be the absence of God, in any case. According to the Bible, is he not "Omnipresent"?

Anyway, I have no intention of arguing religion any further on this board. The FSM thread demonstrated clearly to me that such an endeavor would prove fruitless, thanks to the lack of maturity here.

**Paul** · 10-23-2006, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwuu

I have to disagree, on principle.
Evil, in my eyes, is the absence of good.

I agree. I do not necessarily believe in God, nor do I completely dismiss him as a fairy tale. I know many people who do not believe in God. That doesn't make them evil...

I like this story, but I'd prefer the word "God" towards the end be changed to "good". It's quite inaccurate as is.

Koreanpunk · 10-23-2006, 07:27 AM

i think a better way to justify this argument would be to say that changing the God, but could you really change it to good? If you would change it to good then what is the definition of good? The absence of evil?? I don't know if this would be a better definition could you clarify it for me? And mwuu that is one of the problems that i have w/ this story is that the Bible clearly states God as being omnipresent

Colby · 10-23-2006, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koreanpunk

one thing i would like 2 point out on this argument that it is highly flawed. Because Christians believe that God is omnipresent and the example was that evil is the absence of God that would mean then God is not omnipresent am i right?

God is everywhere, everyone who doesn't believe chooses to ignore them in their hearts, then they feel the absence even though he is there....evil is not the absence of God anyway, it's the absence of Love, the one thing that can help you find God in your heart.

Without love God doesn't exist to you.

Mwuu · 10-23-2006, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koreanpunk

i think a better way to justify this argument would be to say that changing the God, but could you really change it to good? If you would change it to good then what is the definition of good? The absence of evil?? I don't know if this would be a better definition could you clarify it for me? And mwuu that is one of the problems that i have w/ this story is that the Bible clearly states God as being omnipresent

Good and evil are abstract values defined by people and their culture.
They define each other, and neither can be objectively measured.

10-22-2006, 10:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Koreanpunk Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 707	What do you think of this argument? this is a story maybe many of you have heard. The main argument is one that alot of people who aren't christians bring up and that is that if God created everything that he created good and evil. Ok here is the story and tell me what you think of it Does evil exist? The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!" "God created everything? The professor asked. "Yes sir", the student replied. The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat." The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" The professor responded, "Of course it does." The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present." Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light." The professor sat down. The young man's name — Albert Einstein. EDIT This story was not created by me for any of you who think so sorry for any confusion Last edited by Koreanpunk; 10-23-2006 at 12:34 AM.

10-22-2006, 10:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
waterbuster Gunzfactorian Hero Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In your thoughts Posts: 3,595	Re: What do you think of this argument? That my friend, is a win. +rep for you.

10-22-2006, 11:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
darkjut Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 640	Re: What do you think of this argument? i must say, even i did not know about that. this is the one time i will ever take my pride and swallow it. not only do i give you plus rep, you have gained my upmost respect. even though i know i could come up with something to put agaisnt this, i will not simply because of the awe it has put me in. my thoughts on this will not be poison to the forums this time. korean, you are the first one to ever make me speechless. props to you.

10-22-2006, 11:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mo Hawk Gunzfactorian Postcount Demi-God Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7,736	Re: What do you think of this argument? o look another god thread...... __________________ BASTARD!!!!!!!!

10-22-2006, 11:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mo Hawk Gunzfactorian Postcount Demi-God Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7,736	Re: What do you think of this argument? Get off u damn dog! ty i should change sig. __________________ BASTARD!!!!!!!!

10-22-2006, 11:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Koreanpunk Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 707	Re: What do you think of this argument? well ty 4 the compliment and rep + but man i am taking this class logic and i have a bunch of crazy stuff in my journal or however u spell it. I think i will share it sum times lol sum time* grr.... stupid me i can't spell

10-23-2006, 12:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anga Former Caustic Mod Golden Gunzfactorian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Please don't stalk me. Posts: 3,492	Re: What do you think of this argument? Nice story. The professor is a nub at philosophy. In fact, I really can't respect a professor that would rather impose his beliefs on students than actually teach. Thanks to spreading of story idiots don't bring this argument up when they try to prove the God doesn't exist. I'm agnostic but I've always hated this argument since it is so poorly constructed. It's right up there with the "I feel him in my heart" argument.

10-23-2006, 12:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
Koreanpunk Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 707	Re: What do you think of this argument? one thing i would like 2 point out on this argument that it is highly flawed. Because Christians believe that God is omnipresent and the example was that evil is the absence of God that would mean then God is not omnipresent am i right?

10-23-2006, 07:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Koreanpunk Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 707	Re: What do you think of this argument? i think a better way to justify this argument would be to say that changing the God, but could you really change it to good? If you would change it to good then what is the definition of good? The absence of evil?? I don't know if this would be a better definition could you clarify it for me? And mwuu that is one of the problems that i have w/ this story is that the Bible clearly states God as being omnipresent