Pointless Religious Debate I Know You'll Be Stupid Enough To Participate In

[Odin5]

Here's a chew toy (Argument of Free Will in terms of the Christian God) -

1. The Christian god is defined as a personal being who knows everything. According to Christians, personal beings have free will.
2. In order to have free will, you must have more than one option, each of which is avoidable. This means that before you make a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential: you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential (if not the desire) to change your mind before the decision is final.
3. A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty." It knows its choices in advance.
4. A being that knows its choices in advance has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore lacks free will.
5. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being who knows everything cannot exist.
6. Therefore, the Christian god does not exist.

[Starstorm]

Theology .

[Hamburger]

Or you could bypass everything you said, and take into consideration that man mis-interpreted the meaning of the christian god.

[manofsparrow]

Odin created a time paradox.

[guntakeda]

The whole thing that God knows everything is a man made thing in itself. It was made up by St Augustine, were he tried to mix Greek philosophy (plato and aristotle) with christian philosophy and found it could not work unless God was omnipetant. (spelling?)

[Odin5]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

odin Created A Time Paradox.

Snake, you can't do that!!

THE FUTURE WILL BE CHANGED, YOU'LL CREATE A TIME PARADOX!

[fudge]

YouTube - 100% proof Jesus is not God! The temptation of Jesus.

qq

[Colby]

Originally Posted by Odin5

Here's a chew toy (Argument of Free Will in terms of the Christian God) -

1. The Christian god is defined as a personal being who knows everything. According to Christians, personal beings have free will.
2. In order to have free will, you must have more than one option, each of which is avoidable. This means that before you make a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential: you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential (if not the desire) to change your mind before the decision is final.
3. A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty." It knows its choices in advance.
4. A being that knows its choices in advance has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore lacks free will.
5. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being who knows everything cannot exist.
6. Therefore, the Christian god does not exist.

Let's just skip this all and get to what it really comes down to in the end. We don't know anything, and even our science is man crafted. We can choose to believe in the logic we come up with or sacrifice that for a great being we believe in.

Logic ultimately means nothing when you consider how many people have used it so many ways to both defend and assault religion as a whole, and in particular ones. However, logic in itself is developed by the human mind, so in my world for all you KNOW (at that's the key important word) I could be God. For all anyone knows, anything is possible.

It's the Matrix theory I suppose, but I mean, the matrix is a very valid theory. The ONLY thing we as humans can be sure of is that we DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING.

Even if we explored the farthest reaches of the farthest galaxies all the way to the end of the universe and beyond we would STILL yet be limited by one thing. We are not omnipotent, we are not born knowing all and we will never know all.

We may think we know a lot, we may think that the sky is blue, the grass is green, the stars shine and cows go moo, but we occupy so little of the universe anything we pack into our brains is so insignificant to the vast stretches of knowledge that may come with knowing all that's it's barely worth mentioning.

So to say God doesn't exist to me, is like saying that in your world mushroom pop out of little boxes and make you grow fifty feet tall, however you have nothing to back that up except with Logic that can't be proven in any way to be valid, or invalid.

[manofsparrow]

So no matter what we say, Colby is going to translate it to "Growth enhancing mushrooms pop out of little boxes".

[Colby]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

So no matter what we say, Colby is going to translate it to "Growth enhancing mushrooms pop out of little boxes".

I might. I mean, I could, anyone could translate anything they wanted into anything. I could say the sky is made of pickles and sonic the hedgehog lives in my basement. Some people might call me insane, but the truth is it might actually be true in my world.

[Colby]

Originally Posted by fudge

YouTube - 100% proof Jesus is not God! The temptation of Jesus.

qq

Jesus was tempted, but resisted I'm sure. That's a mistranslation, anyone can be tempted, even God because of this reason. Temptation is a two sided thing, the tempter and the temptie. The tempter does the act of tempting, and the temptie merely receives it. So lets say I pray to God and ask him to smite everyone with brown hair (quite a dense population) he doesn't have to do it but he was still tempted by me to do so. He heard the prayer, he "received" the temptation. Just as Jesus may have been tempted but that reflects none who he really was.

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Colby

I might. I mean, I could, anyone could translate anything they wanted into anything. I could say the sky is made of pickles and sonic the hedgehog lives in my basement. Some people might call me insane, but the truth is it might actually be true in my world.

No one else except those that are close to you care about what happens in your world, or mind.

Your world usually stays inside your head. Everyone else's world doesn't revolve around your world.

So to say God doesn't exist to me, is like saying that in your world mushroom pop out of little boxes and make you grow fifty feet tall, however you have nothing to back that up except with Logic that can't be proven in any way to be valid, or invalid.

That works both ways, so if I said God Exists, it should be like me saying growth enhancing mushrooms pop out of little boxes.

[Colby]

Originally Posted by manofsparrow

No one else except those that are close to you care about what happens in your world, or mind.

Your world usually stays inside your head. Everyone else's world doesn't revolve around your world.



That works both ways, so if I said God Exists, it should be like me saying growth enhancing mushrooms pop out of little boxes.

Absolutely, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying, that none of us can say we "know" something without it being a lie in part at least because what we "know" could be subjective, and is sometimes.

[StarStarMoon]

my gut tells me maybe

and i just don't want to participate in ANOTHER discussion of the christian religion

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by StarStarMoon

and i just don't want to participate in ANOTHER discussion of the christian religion

Notice how your actions contradict your words.