Yup

[Odin5]

Bet you didn't know that there is a certain area of our brain that cooresponds to motor activities that already makes up its decision about whatever it wants to do approximately 10 seconds before you consciously do it, thereby, truly nullifying the "Free will" conundrum (As now, we technically are not "free willed")

Ha ha ha...Serious Discussion; you always make me laugh.

[Starstorm]

"We all self conscious I'm just the first to admit it"

[Liquidfox]

Originally Posted by Odin5

Bet you didn't know that there is a certain area of our brain that cooresponds to motor activities that already makes up its decision about whatever it wants to do approximately 10 seconds before you consciously do it, thereby, truly nullifying the "Free will" conundrum (As now, we technically are not "free willed")

Ha ha ha...Serious Discussion; you always make me laugh.

You're basically saying I can think before I act.

[Ghos7Soldier]

The fact that we can basically choose to go left or right gives us the motive of free will.

IF you go left..you go left..if you go right...you go right.

Depends on what you want to do.

Thus giving you free will.

[Odin5]

Originally Posted by Ghos7Soldier

The fact that we can basically choose to go left or right gives us the motive of free will.

IF you go left..you go left..if you go right...you go right.

Depends on what you want to do.

Thus giving you free will.

Chew toy:

You consciously are not making the decision to go left or right, your subconscious is. Everything you do is determined about 10 seconds ahead of time before it actually reaches your conscious state.

Problem being, you are looking at it from a large scale, I am looking at it from a small scale.

[Ghos7Soldier]

Originally Posted by Odin5

Chew toy:

You consciously are not making the decision to go left or right, your subconscious is. Everything you do is determined about 10 seconds ahead of time before it actually reaches your conscious state.

Problem being, you are looking at it from a large scale, I am looking at it from a small scale.

That doesn't change the fact that you can choose either direction by your own thoughts.

There is no problem, you're just making it seem like one.

We, our own persons, are still making the decision regardless of it being "subconscious" or "conscious". You can't nullify the fact that you can indeed change your decision any time you want to as long as you have the strength or will, or just to be able to, to do so.

You can't "nullify" our own "freedom" because our "own" subconscious apparently makes appointments 10 seconds ahead of time.

[StarStarMoon]

can i get a source on this?

also i thought of posting this 10 seconds before i read it

[Heidenreich8]

I don't care.

[slingblader]

Originally Posted by Odin5

Bet you didn't know that there is a certain area of our brain that cooresponds to motor activities that already makes up its decision about whatever it wants to do approximately 10 seconds before you consciously do it, thereby, truly nullifying the "Free will" conundrum (As now, we technically are not "free willed")

Ha ha ha...Serious Discussion; you always make me laugh.

last time I checked, my subconscious is me. Oh, and that whole thing is bs anyway. People react to things presented to them much faster than 10 seconds. If I threw a ball at someone and shouted at them to turn around, in less than a second they could potentially be reacting (though not necessarily successfully).

[Ailysa]

Sorta like Donnie Darko, where the orbs move before the person does.

[doing my thang]

Originally Posted by Heidenreich8

I don't care.

Ah you beat me to it.

[L£monZ]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Sorta like Donnie Darko, where the orbs move before the person does.

Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

[Paul]

Odin actually has a point. Reguardless of whether your subconscious is a part of you, you cannot really control your subconscious. In order to do that you'd need to bring it to a conscious level, at which point it would no longer be subconscious. A free-willed choice occurs on the conscious level. A sub-conscious "decision" is not really a decision, it is what your mind is telling you it needs. There is no will involved in that whatsoever, thus the term "subconscious".

[Queerful]

heiden did it wrong

but I don't care.

[slingblader]

Originally Posted by Paul

Odin actually has a point. Regardless of whether your subconscious is a part of you, you cannot really control your subconscious. In order to do that you'd need to bring it to a conscious level, at which point it would no longer be subconscious. A free-willed choice occurs on the conscious level. A sub-conscious "decision" is not really a decision, it is what your mind is telling you it needs. There is no will involved in that whatsoever, thus the term "subconscious".

A decision inherently decided for you, by YOU, doesn't suggest a lack of free will for me. Human's can over come subconscious desires, and acute pressures are usually not so much on an emotional or even thoughtful plane, solely a survival one. That's nothing more than a reflex, which I wouldn't say is a lack of free will. It's your bodies natural decision to insure safety. Do these instincts supersede "normal thought," yah, but is your body saving itself, and subsequently your mind and conscious thoughts really a lack of free will?