Forcing religion

[Whist]

So I was ingame today in a 2v2 garden tdm
Some guy joins named "666savior" and my teammate begins to rant to hima bout how he's going to hell for believing satan is his savior.
The guy proceeds to tell him to just drop it...it's nothing more than a name and he also doesn't believe in god or religion.

My teammate continues to badger him.

I don't get why some religious people are like this.
I have an opinion, and I base my opinion on proven facts, I don't believe there is a god, however I"m not saying that there's no chance any sort of god or higher-being exists, I just don't have enough fact to back up any sort of opinion on that issue.
However, I don't go around telling people who think otherwise they're wrong. And I don't proceed to tell them they're going to a probably-fictional place of torture because of it.

If you're religious fine by me. If you believe frickin' Hilter died for you sins, more power to you. But don't try to force your beliefs on other people.

I just don't understand how people can be so think-headed that they can't realize their beliefs came from where they grew up and what they've been told over and over through-out their lives.

I went to a catholic elementary school (my parents aren't religious but they mainly sent me there so help teach me good morals ect, but also to let me see what it's all about) however I grew to hate it because even as a very young kid, I realized I was being told I basically couldn't formulate my own opinions and if I believe anything other than what they tell me, I'm a sinner and I will burn forever. That just made me mad.
But my best friend at that school had a mother who was the typical overweight strict religious mother. I hated her and eventually had to tell my friend that I couldn't hang out with him any more. He began to display characteristics of her acting very closed minded to other belifs and opinions held.

I just can't understand why people cannot understand that they're not always right. This is the reason so much blood has been shed over religion. Which is another reason I can't find a good reason for religion because of how ignorant people are.

I formulate my opinions on as much fact as I can, and when somebody shows me I'm wrong or displays evidence against my opinion, I begin to question my own opinion. I don't just sit there and ignore them and their side of the story just telling them they're nothing more than wrong.

[Hamburger]

People always want to feel "right". They actually want to save people, what has been forced on them. They think there doing a good deed for themselves and it makes them feel good. And everyone wants to feel good.

[slingblader]

Originally Posted by Hamburger

People always want to feel "right". They actually want to save people, what has been forced on them. They think there doing a good deed for themselves and it makes them feel good. And everyone wants to feel good.

except masochists.


But, people like the idea of being the "higher" being in a situation. They want to have that power, even if it's only moralistic.

[Ghos7Soldier]

Never ran into a situation like that.

But yeah,

this part sums it up about what I think...

Originally Posted by Whist

If you're religious fine by me. If you believe frickin' Hilter died for you sins, more power to you. But don't try to force your beliefs on other people.

[manofsparrow]

If I could read minds, I'd tell you why.

[°Jacob°]

Originally Posted by Whist

So I was ingame today in a 2v2 garden tdm
Some guy joins named "666savior" and my teammate begins to rant to hima bout how he's going to hell for believing satan is his savior.
The guy proceeds to tell him to just drop it...it's nothing more than a name and he also doesn't believe in god or religion.

My teammate continues to badger him.

I don't get why some religious people are like this.
I have an opinion, and I base my opinion on proven facts, I don't believe there is a god, however I"m not saying that there's no chance any sort of god or higher-being exists, I just don't have enough fact to back up any sort of opinion on that issue.
However, I don't go around telling people who think otherwise they're wrong. And I don't proceed to tell them they're going to a probably-fictional place of torture because of it.

If you're religious fine by me. If you believe frickin' Hilter died for you sins, more power to you. But don't try to force your beliefs on other people.

I just don't understand how people can be so think-headed that they can't realize their beliefs came from where they grew up and what they've been told over and over through-out their lives.

I went to a catholic elementary school (my parents aren't religious but they mainly sent me there so help teach me good morals ect, but also to let me see what it's all about) however I grew to hate it because even as a very young kid, I realized I was being told I basically couldn't formulate my own opinions and if I believe anything other than what they tell me, I'm a sinner and I will burn forever. That just made me mad.
But my best friend at that school had a mother who was the typical overweight strict religious mother. I hated her and eventually had to tell my friend that I couldn't hang out with him any more. He began to display characteristics of her acting very closed minded to other belifs and opinions held.

I just can't understand why people cannot understand that they're not always right. This is the reason so much blood has been shed over religion. Which is another reason I can't find a good reason for religion because of how ignorant people are.

I formulate my opinions on as much fact as I can, and when somebody shows me I'm wrong or displays evidence against my opinion, I begin to question my own opinion. I don't just sit there and ignore them and their side of the story just telling them they're nothing more than wrong.

i see what your saying, and i mostly agree, i have seen the same situation, i was at someones pre-wedding banquet type thing (about a week before the wedding) and the bride was some type of christian and the groom was atheist, a priest was there trying to get the groom to become christian, and just wouldnt leave him alone. It even says in the Bible (not exact quote) " Go town to town spreading the world, If they accept you, stay with them, if they reject you, leave that place and wipe the dirt from your shoes" but most religious people consistently try to badger others to join their religion, its like a game now, whichever religion can have the most members.

[Whist]

Originally Posted by °Jacob°

i see what your saying, and i mostly agree, i have seen the same situation, i was at someones pre-wedding banquet type thing (about a week before the wedding) and the bride was some type of christian and the groom was atheist, a priest was there trying to get the groom to become christian, and just wouldnt leave him alone. It even says in the Bible (not exact quote) " Go town to town spreading the world, If they accept you, stay with them, if they reject you, leave that place and wipe the dirt from your shoes" but most religious people consistently try to badger others to join their religion, its like a game now, whichever religion can have the most members.

Seriously.
There are missionaries who do work where they go and introduce their religion to tribes and stuff in Africa and other such places, but a lot of missionaries basically force the religion on tribes. It really makes me mad when I hear about it happening. What makes it worse is the people doing it are too ignorant to realize they're not doing something good.


I remember in highschool senior year I was in some stupid desktop publishing class just so I met the minimum credit requirement (because I was done basically). The class was so damn easy to do and used some stupid program that nobody would ever use for real desktop publishing.
So I had A LOT of freetime on my hands...So I would play in powerpoint a lot using the custom animation tool to make some pretty neat stuff animating it only with powerpoint. So I decided to make a "prehistoric jesus" animation which I thought was pretty hilarious (along with a lot of the other kids in class).

Basically it's jesus's last days but instead of soldiers it was raptors with spears (cut out from google images and put together in paint). I wasn't doing anything offensive to religion unless some how it's offensive to watch jesus carry his cross across a screen being followed by raptors with spears.

So this freshman kid comes up to me and starts preaching to me about Jesus. At first I didn't know if he was just joking or being serious (because he was realllly into it) so naturally I give him the usual dumb questions about the bible exploiting loopholes (like the can god make a pizza so hot even he can't eat it typical stuff all in good humor) and this kid keeps talking and talking about jesus.
At first it's amusing but after 5 minutes it's just annoying. I straight up told the kid I don't accept jesus as any sort of savior of mine, I believe in evolution and have no interest in his religion. However, this did not slow him down one bit. He just kept going on and on. And this wasn't just like a one day thing...it lasted about 3 days. And the teacher didn't bother touching the issue because she knew how sarcastic I was and there's no way I'd let her tell me to stop discussing beliefs (I liked to mess with her, mostly in good humor but a few times I took it a little far).

It was amusing to me but only because the kid would just not be discouraged and leave me alone.

[STM1993]

Two reasons why people want to force their religion/beliefs to others:

1. They want their religion to be the majority.

2. They sincerely hope that their friends can have a better life/afterlife.

Normally it's number 2 on the list, but what irritates me is that, religion and beliefs are supposed to be a free choice for everyone, and it is up to everyone to choose what they want to believe by themselves. I do not mind if they want to try and convert others into their beliefs, but they shouldn't force it down on someone who is already against converting to their belief.

[Whist]

Originally Posted by STM1993

Two reasons why people want to force their religion/beliefs to others:

1. They want their religion to be the majority.

2. They sincerely hope that their friends can have a better life/afterlife.

Normally it's number 2 on the list, but what irritates me is that, religion and beliefs are supposed to be a free choice for everyone, and it is up to everyone to choose what they want to believe by themselves. I do not mind if they want to try and convert others into their beliefs, but they shouldn't force it down on someone who is already against converting to their belief.

Yeah I don't get all flustered if somebody mentions it to me, but as long as when I show obvious signs I'm not interested or straight up tell them I'm not they back off and just drop it.
I just wish they would be able to understand that other religions think the same thing and people want to take the path to happiness the way that makes most sense to them.
And until they can back up their religion with straight up fact, they shouldn't try tell others what to think, because other's opinions are just as valid as their's.

[Kitty_Ears]

Some people are born and raised religious, and it is what they think is right. There is alot of "brain washing" to go along with learning a religion. So what seems wrong to you might seem right, and the best thing they can do to them. As though it is wrong, you have to understand that this is how they where raised by there parents, and they where taught this by there parents, who was tought by there parents, you see what I meen it goes on and on. It is what they believe and they think there way is the right way and anyone who believes any different is going to hell. It is sad that some people are like this and to this day people are born and raised this way but it is a fact of life. It is sad that you have to see this on a game. But hell, wake up this is life right?

[Cartman]

It's funny how you brought this up cause this afternoon i went on that Mormon website and had an extremely long conversation to this mormon guy about why he feels that it's justifiable to encroach on someone's religious beliefs it basically went a little like this


Why do you feel so strongly about changing the religious beliefs, or lack there of, of others

Because we believe that we have the power of God to show to them and we can lead them to salvation.

I think something along the lines of that is the common answer, little do people realize that if we wanted to find out about jesus or any other diety it would be as simple as going to google. Instead they badger us incessantly about how their religion is right, and by condemning us enough times we'll finally yield our will and conform to their beliefs.

[Dash]

For most christian people it's like this:

Imagine you're standing next to a door to a room filled with poisonous gas. You know that whoever is going inside will die. Will you try to get everybody not to enter the room or will you just say "**** it, their choice"?

Christian people (think they) know bad things will happen to you if you don't repent. It's only natural to try to save other people. Off course you can say religion is fake and they shouldn't bother you, but that won't chance anything for them. Some people would feel guilty for not trying to convince you.

[Whist]

Originally Posted by dASH

For most christian people it's like this:

Imagine you're standing next to a door to a room filled with poisonous gas. You know that whoever is going inside will die. Will you try to get everybody not to enter the room or will you just say "**** it, their choice"?

Christian people (think they) know bad things will happen to you if you don't repent. It's only natural to try to save other people. Off course you can say religion is fake and they shouldn't bother you, but that won't chance anything for them. Some people would feel guilty for not trying to convince you.

Yeah your post has already been said for the most part so I'm not giving you all credit for explaining this. But I do now understand it a little better.
I don't know why I couldn't have figured it out for myself, perhaps because I'm not religious nor do I feel the need to help people who aren't close to me (which is one of the good things religion would have taught me).

But I still feel like these people should still realize that not everybody wants to change. You can't "save" everybody, I think the story of Jesus would be a perfect example of that.

[Dash]

Originally Posted by Whist

Yeah your post has already been said for the most part so I'm not giving you all credit for explaining this. But I do now understand it a little better.
I don't know why I couldn't have figured it out for myself, perhaps because I'm not religious nor do I feel the need to help people who aren't close to me (which is one of the good things religion would have taught me).

Oh, I didn't read the entire thread before making my post.

Originally Posted by Whist

But I still feel like these people should still realize that not everybody wants to change. You can't "save" everybody,

But according to the bible you are supposed to try it anyway. Not like everybody does it, but according to the bible they should at least give it a try.

Originally Posted by Whist

I think the story of Jesus would be a perfect example of that.

What do you mean?

[LordShaft]

Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night
Set a man of fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life


Do the right thing.