Democracy in sweden died today...

Legion · 06-18-2008, 06:30 PM

Today the swedish democracy and integrity died a silent death...
Our parliament decided to vote yes to complete surveillance
of all electronic communication in and out of the country.
Nolonger are we free but will be monitored 24/7 by a defense agency,
whose goal is supposedly to protect us from threats they can't motivate.
The law is written so loose they are basicly allowed to monitor anything and anyone they want.
This is a sad day.
WHEN information leak, WHEN innocent people gets abused,
then im going to be there and remind everyone....
Never forget 18/6 when we lost our right to privacy
and to never forget thoose who was responsible for this act of treason...
Welcome to DDR 2.0
(Former east germany for those who are to young to know of it.
Who monitored and abused their citizens, for so called "protection")
Mankind will never learn from history it seems..

But we will never surrender, we will never give up, the fight must continue!
Our freedom must be reclaimed!

/Legion

fgjk · 06-18-2008, 07:01 PM

Wow.... That sucks....
Hopefully it does something until you sweeds can elect people who can amend that law/act though...

**Dash** · 06-18-2008, 07:45 PM

I doubt the parliament even knows what it's talking about =/

slingblader · 06-18-2008, 07:55 PM

No offense, like 100% serious, but does that even make sense in Sweden? Of all the countries in the world I would expect possible surveillance, I would probably forgot to even put Sweden on the list at all.

Sharpy · 06-18-2008, 08:03 PM

Isn't there a growing problem of Neo Nazism in Sweden or something?

Mr.Lucifer · 06-19-2008, 03:57 AM

Norway might get this too. Swedish politicians say we shouldn't do it. One said we shouldn't be as foolish as Sweden. How the hell did this happen? Al-Qaida won. It's now accepted to monitor us to "protect" us. There are no longer any democracy in Sweden, fear killed it.

Also, Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights | International Humanist and Ethical Union, no more freedom of speech if Islam is in the speech.

Chokichi · 06-19-2008, 04:01 PM

Thatn sucks, i couldn't live in a country where my own personal space and privacy isn't respected. If i was you ( this is serious ) i would move country.

Sharpy · 06-19-2008, 08:28 PM

(I'm not sure what system Sweden uses) But is there a Consent of the governed in your Constitution? So if the majority of the people disagree with this new law, they HAVE to change the law

Becci · 06-19-2008, 08:53 PM

They tried to do that with Hong Kong (search up 'article 23' on Wikipedia if you're interested). It was a little more overt than your situation to be honest - although the new law in Sweden explicitly allows complete surveillance, it's still a small jump from that to abuse and Nazi Germany. Fair enough, it's a first step ... so alarm bells should be ringing. I hope that the people of Sweden fight back and let the government know this new decision is not welcome.

Of all the places I would expect democracy to fall, Sweden was on the bottom of my list. I saw a documentary where it said the people in Sweden have the highest standards of living/assistance in health care etc. and have the lowest baby mortality rates. People in Sweden were also one of the 'happiest'. So ... reading this is surprising.

Article 23 stated "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall enact laws on its own to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government" ... basically, we nearly couldn't act against the government at all. That was, until 500,000 citizens marched in protest (keeping in mind there are around 6-7 million citizens in HK overall, so that's a big percentage). The government got scared and shelved Article 23. Good riddance.

LordShaft · 06-19-2008, 09:01 PM

Hamburger · 06-19-2008, 09:50 PM

I don't get why this thread isn't getting more attention. This is a democracy going down. Sweden is a fairly known country, and people are ignoring this and passing it off saying glad is wasn't us. Well you know this could be you, in this situation. Doesn't matter where you live. Us, Uk, norway, anywhere. You have to fight for you freedom, you can't like some dick wads with a fat wallet and bad intentions to steal it all away from you.

ToshX · 06-20-2008, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamburger

I don't get why this thread isn't getting more attention. This is a democracy going down. Sweden is a fairly known country, and people are ignoring this and passing it off saying glad is wasn't us. Well you know this could be you, in this situation. Doesn't matter where you live. Us, Uk, norway, anywhere. You have to fight for you freedom, you can't like some dick wads with a fat wallet and bad intentions to steal it all away from you.

Well yeah, I'd say something but all I really have to say is "that kinda pisses me off". As people've said, people should fight against it. But I don't think there's much else you can really say or do. There's no "real" discussion about it, you know what needs to be done.

jegovas · 06-20-2008, 03:02 AM

u have 50% of women in parlament right?? that would explain it all

which is nothing

d00ds

Mr.Lucifer · 06-20-2008, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamburger

I don't get why this thread isn't getting more attention. This is a democracy going down. Sweden is a fairly known country, and people are ignoring this and passing it off saying glad is wasn't us. Well you know this could be you, in this situation. Doesn't matter where you live. Us, Uk, norway, anywhere. You have to fight for you freedom, you can't like some dick wads with a fat wallet and bad intentions to steal it all away from you.

The UK has had a similar system for ages. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can swear I read somewhere that a large amount of CD's (they stored what they found on CD's) were stolen.

Also, ECHELON is a similar system according to many.

Chokichi · 06-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Lucifer

The UK has had a similar system for ages. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can swear I read somewhere that a large amount of CD's (they stored what they found on CD's) were stolen.

Also, ECHELON is a similar system according to many.

Our government always lose important documents. BAKA !

Well yeah .. Sweden, damn. All i say is : "Good luck and i hope the people of sweden can get together correctly and without violence"

06-18-2008, 06:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Legion Gunzfactorian Patriot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 354	Democracy in sweden died today... Today the swedish democracy and integrity died a silent death... Our parliament decided to vote yes to complete surveillance of all electronic communication in and out of the country. Nolonger are we free but will be monitored 24/7 by a defense agency, whose goal is supposedly to protect us from threats they can't motivate. The law is written so loose they are basicly allowed to monitor anything and anyone they want. This is a sad day. WHEN information leak, WHEN innocent people gets abused, then im going to be there and remind everyone.... Never forget 18/6 when we lost our right to privacy and to never forget thoose who was responsible for this act of treason... Welcome to DDR 2.0 (Former east germany for those who are to young to know of it. Who monitored and abused their citizens, for so called "protection") Mankind will never learn from history it seems.. But we will never surrender, we will never give up, the fight must continue! Our freedom must be reclaimed! /Legion __________________ They wait and wail in ghastly pain while digging deep inside, insane. Inflict a wound you heal in vain, as blood pours black from pierced veins. They crush and cut, the dark stone stained, a ribcage opens, a hole that frames. An unstained soul struggling sane, beneath the burning rain... ...cast into the fields of evil pleasure. - Illnath, Cast into the fields of evil pleasure

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06-18-2008, 07:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
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Sharpy Gunzfactorian Patriot Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 447 Sharpy's GamerBio	Re: Democracy in sweden died today... Isn't there a growing problem of Neo Nazism in Sweden or something? __________________ ty 2 esku for my 1st sword ty 2 Destro for my 2nd sword

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Mr.Lucifer Gunzfactorian Soldier Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 931	Re: Democracy in sweden died today... Norway might get this too. Swedish politicians say we shouldn't do it. One said we shouldn't be as foolish as Sweden. How the hell did this happen? Al-Qaida won. It's now accepted to monitor us to "protect" us. There are no longer any democracy in Sweden, fear killed it. Also, Vote on freedom of expression marks the end of Universal Human Rights \| International Humanist and Ethical Union, no more freedom of speech if Islam is in the speech.

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Chokichi Gunzfactorian Guardian Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,206 Chokichi's GamerBio	Re: Democracy in sweden died today... Thatn sucks, i couldn't live in a country where my own personal space and privacy isn't respected. If i was you ( this is serious ) i would move country. __________________

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Sharpy Gunzfactorian Patriot Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 447 Sharpy's GamerBio	Re: Democracy in sweden died today... (I'm not sure what system Sweden uses) But is there a Consent of the governed in your Constitution? So if the majority of the people disagree with this new law, they HAVE to change the law __________________ ty 2 esku for my 1st sword ty 2 Destro for my 2nd sword

06-19-2008, 08:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Becci Coin Operated Former Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pluto Posts: 2,145	Re: Democracy in sweden died today... They tried to do that with Hong Kong (search up 'article 23' on Wikipedia if you're interested). It was a little more overt than your situation to be honest - although the new law in Sweden explicitly allows complete surveillance, it's still a small jump from that to abuse and Nazi Germany. Fair enough, it's a first step ... so alarm bells should be ringing. I hope that the people of Sweden fight back and let the government know this new decision is not welcome. Of all the places I would expect democracy to fall, Sweden was on the bottom of my list. I saw a documentary where it said the people in Sweden have the highest standards of living/assistance in health care etc. and have the lowest baby mortality rates. People in Sweden were also one of the 'happiest'. So ... reading this is surprising. Article 23 stated "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall enact laws on its own to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government" ... basically, we nearly couldn't act against the government at all. That was, until 500,000 citizens marched in protest (keeping in mind there are around 6-7 million citizens in HK overall, so that's a big percentage). The government got scared and shelved Article 23. Good riddance. __________________ People who are quite possibly cooler than you: kenny, sergei, angelo, aculard, king-banana, flupty, diego, richy کτγℓع says: I would bet that 80% of the guys on this forum no matter how weird or ***ed up are good in the sack Last edited by Becci; 06-19-2008 at 09:08 PM.*

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