Life Support.

[Chokichi]

Do you believe that life support is bad?

.. Well for people who don't know what life support is, it is machines used in hospitals that can keep someone's organ's working while their brain may maintain dead. Yeah, this causes them to be alive but be dead at the same time effectively, this is called the "vegetative state" Because like vegetables they are alive but with no free will to do anything.

Well, here is my opinion about this subject : i think that the closure people need for death shouldn't be enforced by life support, as hard as it is ; if someone is dead then you have to let it be and mourn for a while.

However you could say "By keeping them alive you are morally doing the correct thing by keeping them from death." Well, yeah but who wants to live in a state where you can't do anything yourself? I mean c'mon, it may be moral to keep someone alive if you can do it but it is plain cruel to keep someone alive in that situation.. It's like the animal in pain scenario ; an animal is in long term pain, do you put the animal down for it's best will or keep it alive, living in pain. Cruel.?

Well there is alot of different opinions on this subject and i'd like to hear yours.

[Mr.Lucifer]

I never want to be a vegetable. I don't think many will. It makes no sense. But some people have awoken from it, haven't they? That's what those people who insist on keeping them alive thinks. They wish to have them wake up. It's very selfish.

[Whist]

Originally Posted by Mr.Lucifer

I never want to be a vegetable. I don't think many will. It makes no sense. But some people have awoken from it, haven't they? That's what those people who insist on keeping them alive thinks. They wish to have them wake up. It's very selfish.

People wake from comas.
A vegetable not defined as something grown that you eat, is basically somebody who doesn't have enough brain cells left to function intelligently thus they have their senses (or most of them) and that's about it...they don't really DO anything or every will do anything besides die.

A logical thinker will more than likely cringe at the idea of wasting hospital space to support a useless individual.
But you must look at it from a more spiritual perspective and understand that people feel that the person still can sense pleasing human presences and be happy. Though their brain cannot support much thought perhaps spiritually they can still be connected.

There's more to it, but that's one reason why people would opt to keep them alive.


To understand why things are done the way they are done, you have to look at it from different points of view.

[Fail9000]

I told my mother if i have a serous accident and im on a life support and have any perminant mental or physical damage that will affect my life greatly i would like to be switched off.

[LordShaft]

what about euthanasia then?

[slingblader]

Originally Posted by LordShaft

what about euthanasia then?

I'm for it 100% in reasonable situations. I absolutely hate that people will push their own religious and other views on people, and deny someone suffering what THEY want. We do it to animals out of humanity, I don't see why being human suddenly supersedes humanity.

[Chokichi]

Originally Posted by slingblader

I'm for it 100% in reasonable situations. I absolutely hate that people will push their own religious and other views on people, and deny someone suffering what THEY want. We do it to animals out of humanity, I don't see why being human suddenly supersedes humanity.

I 100% agree with this, think suicide should be legal anywhere .. if you feel your life isn't worth living and law keeps you living something you don't want... the law is therefore causing you suffering.. -_-.

But i guess if you wanted to suicide you could always just jump off a building or whatever, they can't do much too you after your dead other than getting your family .. ( or distorting your dead body )

[Mr.Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Whist

People wake from comas.
A vegetable not defined as something grown that you eat, is basically somebody who doesn't have enough brain cells left to function intelligently thus they have their senses (or most of them) and that's about it...they don't really DO anything or every will do anything besides die.

A logical thinker will more than likely cringe at the idea of wasting hospital space to support a useless individual.
But you must look at it from a more spiritual perspective and understand that people feel that the person still can sense pleasing human presences and be happy. Though their brain cannot support much thought perhaps spiritually they can still be connected.

There's more to it, but that's one reason why people would opt to keep them alive.


To understand why things are done the way they are done, you have to look at it from different points of view.

That is true. I can understand why people do it, even if I wouldn't have done it myself.

[An Amateur]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

Do you believe that life support is bad?

.. Well for people who don't know what life support is, it is machines used in hospitals that can keep someone's organ's working while their brain may maintain dead. Yeah, this causes them to be alive but be dead at the same time effectively, this is called the "vegetative state" Because like vegetables they are alive but with no free will to do anything.

IMO You can't even describe such people as alive. Even vegetables are capable of functioning independantly of man made machines. In such a situation I personaly would not want to be kept on life support for the sake of it. However if other people are for it and are willing to pay for it then I have no objections.

I don't believe life support is bad as such for example in cases where the person could yet recover, or where there is reason to keep the organs fresh, like for organ donation.

To those mentioning Euthanasia and Suicide. Again I think that choice is up to the individual or there reprisentatives. However thats such a complicated issue that there should be a legal proccess set up to deal with it.

As perhaps you can tell, I am pro choice but happen to think that certain choices should be backed up with adequate support and reulated procceses.

[LordShaft]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

I 100% agree with this, think suicide should be legal anywhere .. if you feel your life isn't worth living and law keeps you living something you don't want... the law is therefore causing you suffering.. -_-.

But i guess if you wanted to suicide you could always just jump off a building or whatever, they can't do much too you after your dead other than getting your family .. ( or distorting your dead body )

QFT with th 2nd statement

Suicide isn't illegal (i mean ahve you seen anyone get arrested for killing themselves?)

It's ATTEMPTED SUICIDE that's illegal

[uWasMyTeammate]

I agree with this thread. If I'm never coming back to conscious thought, just turn me off.

[Chokichi]

Originally Posted by uWasMyTeammate

I agree with this thread. If I'm never coming back to conscious thought, just turn me off.

i wouldn't be "turned on" anyway i wouldn't even allow them to put me on life support i mean... its a waste of hospital space.. someone with a chance of living could have my space ...

But yeah as someone correctly said earlier in this thread, if they have you on life support to keep your organs fresh to be donated i think that is good.

[STM1993]

Well it depends...

If the person is in a COMA, then yes, having a life support may work, because people can wake up from them. But if the person has turned into a vegetable, then it's better to end his life early (euthanasia). He's already a vegetable, so he has no more ability to do anything. I'm very sure that no one wants to stay a vegetable since they have lost all free will and now are only suffering from the cruelty of living without being able to enjoy it. Even if he were a slave, he still had some free will because he is able to do things freely, just that he is being commanded ; he could choose to rebel and escape. But now he can't even do that.

Well, if you talk about donors, I'd rather put him out of his misery, quickly take the organs required and put them in a place to keep it fresh and usable. Even if they are donors, they deserve a chance for their life to be ended as early as those who are not donors.

Seems cruel, but that's the sad truth. No one wants to kill, but neither do people who completely lost their free will would want to live.

[uWasMyTeammate]

Serious Discussion: Where almost every post says the exact same thing as the one before it.

[LordShaft]

Originally Posted by STM1993

Well it depends...

If the person is in a COMA, then yes, having a life support may work, because people can wake up from them. But if the person has turned into a vegetable, then it's better to end his life early (euthanasia). He's already a vegetable, so he has no more ability to do anything. I'm very sure that no one wants to stay a vegetable since they have lost all free will and now are only suffering from the cruelty of living without being able to enjoy it. Even if he were a slave, he still had some free will because he is able to do things freely, just that he is being commanded ; he could choose to rebel and escape. But now he can't even do that.

Well, if you talk about donors, I'd rather put him out of his misery, quickly take the organs required and put them in a place to keep it fresh and usable. Even if they are donors, they deserve a chance for their life to be ended as early as those who are not donors.

Seems cruel, but that's the sad truth. No one wants to kill, but neither do people who completely lost their free will would want to live.

euthinasia isn't legal is most parts of the world though

Euthanasia and the Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia