Isreal and Palestine

[r0yalty]

Don't you think it's wrong what Isreal are doing to Palestine?

Don't get me wrong; I'm not pro-Islam or anti-Jew, but I AM anti-Isreal. About seventy or so years ago what is now Isreal belonged to Palestine, but during the years Isreal bombed Palestine out of their own country, and now Palestinians only have a fraction of the land that's rightfully theirs. And these days Isreal are basically wiping out Palestinians, by bombing and shooting their country everday. The worst thing is that no one can stop Isreal, because

1. They're one of the most powerful military-wise countries.
2. They're backed financially by the most powerful and rich country, the USA.
3. Most of the other powerful countries such as Great Britain are allies with the USA.

[Socks]

Palestine could have done something pretty bad.
If you know exactly why they are getting bombed, post the information.

[Mr.Lucifer]

Israel defends themself. The UN should never have given away someones land just because they felt sorry for the jews. I'm not fond of Israel, but it's the UN's fault it's there.

[Ailysa]

Ignorance at its best.

Try researching "evidence" before jumping into an argument.

Israel never belonged to Palestine. It has always belonged to the Jews from ATLEAST 1500 B.C., when Abraham made the covernent with G-D. Since then, Jews have always lived in Israel and "owned" - if you want to put it that way - the whole country of Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and its 12 Jewish tribes divided the land throughout themselves, under a king.

Palestine is not a real place. Palestinians aren't real. It is just a name for Arabs who believe they were "rightfully" from Palestine.

When the British took control of the country, during or after World War II (I can't remember the exact dates), they told both the Arabs and Jews that they would give the entire country to them. When they left, both Arabs and Jews believed that they were given the country and were not told that the other had also been tricked into believing they were given the country to themselves.

After the UN divided the country between the Jews and Arabs (after there was a vote between many countries in the world), the Arabs rejected the plan and greedily attacked Israel to steal the land, defying the vote.

The Jews defended themselves and fought off their Arab assailants, pushing them out of the country and back into their own countries in Syria, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, South Arabia and Lebanon.

Since then, on MANY occasions, Arab countries have attacked the country of Israel, who rightfully belongs to the Jews and current Israelis, trying to steal the land and take over the country.

Despite the many attacks on Israel by Arab countries (1948, 1956, 1967, 1968-70, 1973, 1982, 1987-1990, 2000-2005, 2006), Israel has only EVER gone to war to defend herself.

Israel has always offered to make peace with her Arab neighbours, however the Arab countries did not recognise, negotiate or make peace with Israel. It was only in 1979, that the Israeli priminister, Menachem Begin, formed a peace treaty with Egypt, giving Egypt the Sinai in exchange for peace. In 1994, Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty, where Israel gave water to Jordan for peace. In 2000, Israeli priminister, Ehud Barak offered 100% of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank to Yassir Arafat, in the condition that he would remove terror groups from his territories. Arafat rejected the offer and rather than making a counter offer, he left the negotiations. Soon after, Arabs shot missiles into Israel and attacked the country.

2 years ago, Gaza (one of the most beautiful areas of Israel) was given to the Arabs for peace. Israelis were kicked out of their homes to allow the Arabs to move in - a heavy price for a move for PEACE. What has Israel got in return? Terror attacks. Countless, countless terrorist attacks. Masses of missiles are shot in Israel daily.

Israel have always attacked back in defense. During the Lebanon wars and with Gaza (despite how the Media have misled the public), Israel have always attacked in defense. Militants have been targetted, not civilians, as the Palestinians have been targetting. And with the media misleading the public, it is a hard time for the country of Israel.

In 1894, Theodor Herzl, the founder of Israel, had had enough of anti-sematism, after a Jew was falsely arrested in France for treason, because he was a Jew. After hearing a man yell "death to the Jews," he decided that he would give the Jews a homeland and to give them a safe place to live. That is what Israel is today. A Jewish state, where Jews are not in fear of being persecuted or attacked. Jews have always had a connection to the land and have faced Jerusalem each time they've prayed for 2000 years and there has been Jewish prescence in the land for 3500 years.

Why do the Arabs... let alone the Muslims care so much about a country that fits in Australia 450 times! That gives a figure at how small the country really is. Islam's most holiest cities are in Mecca and Medina - in South Arabia. Christianity's is in Vatican City. Israel is the holiest place in the world for the Jewish nation.

Since 1948, Israel has remained a lively and active democracy. Israel's declaration of independance states that all Israeli citizens are afforded the same rights regardless of race or sex. Israel is the most liberal and open democracy in the Middle East. No wonder America forms a strong relationship with the country.

It is only a wonder why the rest of the world chooses to remain ignorant, then wake up to the reality of the country of Israel.

[Ailysa]

I would like to conclude with a quote from F L A M E : Some of Israel's Accomplishments

Some of Israel’s Accomplishments


Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen. Despite its only being a little more than fifty years old, despite a population of just over five million, despite having to be at war footing for almost its entire life, despite having absorbed more immigrants in relation to its population that any country in history, its accomplishments in almost any area of human activity are unsurpassed.

Have a look at the partial list of accomplishments that follows and be proud to be a fellow-Jew or even more if you have made any contribution at all — even if only by contributing financially to organizations that support Israel, such as FLAME. And consider what Israel could have accomplished and could still accomplish if its enemies would not single-mindedly wish to destroy it and if Israel could apply all of its genius to peaceful pursuits.

Gerardo Joffe, President

Courtesy of the Joint Action Taskforce
July 08, 2004


1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

2. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.

3. The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel.

4. The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.

5. Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

6. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.

7. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

8. According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

9. Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.

11. Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

12. Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin — 109 per 10,000 people — as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

13. In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the second largest number of startup companies after the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

14. With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration hi-tech companies in the world — apart from the Silicon Valley, US.

15. Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

16. After the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

17. Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

18. On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

19. Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce hold university degrees — ranking it third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland — and 12% hold advanced degrees.


20. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

21. In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.


22. When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.


23. When the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day — and saved three victims from the rubble.


24. Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship — and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 — in the world.

25. Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

26. Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

27. Israel has the world's second highest per capita rate of publishing new books.

28. Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.

29. Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

30. In the field of medicine, Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

31. An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment
mistakes.

32. Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera
helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

33. Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

34. Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and fewer than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions, Israel places first in this category as well.

35. A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct — all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

36. An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant (in southern California's Mojave desert).

[manofsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Ignorance at its best.

Try researching "evidence" before jumping into an argument.

Israel never belonged to Palestine. It has always belonged to the Jews from ATLEAST 1500 B.C., when Abraham made the covernent with G-D.

Since then, Jews have always lived in Israel and "owned" - if you want to put it that way - the whole country of Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and its 12 Jewish tribes divided the land throughout themselves, under a king.

That's assuming that story is true...

After the UN divided the country between the Jews and Arabs (after there was a vote between many countries in the world), the Arabs rejected the plan and greedily attacked Israel to steal the land, defying the vote.

After the Arabs were kicked out of their homes (Assuming what they say is true).

Israel has always offered to make peace with her Arab neighbours, however the Arab countries did not recognise, negotiate or make peace with Israel. It was only in 1979, that the Israeli priminister, Menachem Begin, formed a peace treaty with Egypt, giving Egypt the Sinai in exchange for peace. In 1994, Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty, where Israel gave water to Jordan for peace. In 2000, Israeli priminister, Ehud Barak offered 100% of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank to Yassir Arafat, in the condition that he would remove terror groups from his territories. Arafat rejected the offer and rather than making a counter offer, he left the negotiations. Soon after, Arabs shot missiles into Israel and attacked the country.

Maybe they feel like how the Native Americans felt when the U.S. soldiers came?

But it's probably more likely that they're just idiots.

2 years ago, Gaza (one of the most beautiful areas of Israel) was given to the Arabs for peace. Israelis were kicked out of their homes to allow the Arabs to move in - a heavy price for a move for PEACE. What has Israel got in return? Terror attacks. Countless, countless terrorist attacks. Masses of missiles are shot in Israel daily.

Yes, terrorists are annoying.

Why do the Arabs... let alone the Muslims care so much about a country that fits in Australia 450 times! That gives a figure at how small the country really is. Islam's most holiest cities are in Mecca and Medina - in South Arabia. Christianity's is in Vatican City. Israel is the holiest place in the world for the Jewish nation.

Probably because they're stubborn. And the thousands of Palestinian refugees.

Since 1948, Israel has remained a lively and active democracy. Israel's declaration of independance states that all Israeli citizens are afforded the same rights regardless of race or sex. Israel is the most liberal and open democracy in the Middle East. No wonder America forms a strong relationship with the country.

That's not saying much, since Middle East countries generally don't have strong democracies.

It is only a wonder why the rest of the world chooses to remain ignorant, then wake up to the reality of the country of Israel.

Does "the rest of the world" include the Palestinians who were evacuated out of their homes (And I think still denied return)?

Maybe they should just accept that they were kicked out of their homes and move on?

[Heidenreich8]

[r0yalty]

2 years ago, Gaza (one of the most beautiful areas of Israel) was given to the Arabs for peace. Israelis were kicked out of their homes to allow the Arabs to move in - a heavy price for a move for PEACE. What has Israel got in return? Terror attacks. Countless, countless terrorist attacks. Masses of missiles are shot in Israel daily.

This does not even compare to the amount of missiles shot into Palestine daily. (also, the Palestinian missiles are much less advanced than the Isreali ones, which are more poweful and far more accurate)The Palestinians are the ones fighting back; how would you feel if someone came and invaded YOUR country, and left you a fraction of it's original size? This is even worse because Isreal and Palestine combined together are still a small country.

And also, Isreal DID exist around 1500 BC, BUT, back then most of what's Isreal now was Palestine, kind of like modern day Isreal and Palestine switching countries.

[Mr.Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Israel never belonged to Palestine. It has always belonged to the Jews from ATLEAST 1500 B.C., when Abraham made the covernent with G-D. Since then, Jews have always lived in Israel and "owned" - if you want to put it that way - the whole country of Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and its 12 Jewish tribes divided the land throughout themselves, under a king.

North America has always belonged to the indians since thousands of years ago. But it was taken from them. I wonder if they'll get it back if I go and kill 6 million of them.

Originally Posted by Ailysa

I would like to conclude with a quote from F L A M E : Some of Israel's Accomplishments

Completely irrelevant. OK, there's a lot of innovative jews. Doesn't give them a country.

Why wasn't their weapon industry mentioned? Everytime I look at Weapons of the Future there's an israelian telling about his new fancy weapons.

But let's stay on topic, and if anybody want to discuss jewish conspiracies there were a thread for that a couple of days ago.

[guntakeda]

Way to read wikipedia.

Btw - Most of the things you said that were "developed" In Israel were actually thought of in countries like Japan, Sweden & USA.

Israel according to the bible (>.>) is the rightful home of the jews. With all the holy ground etc. However since before christ i think 200BC - The jews had all but pissed off from running Israel. Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled.

Then came the crusades. were mainly a majority of Muslims & Christians were fighting over Israel (namely Jerusalem) And periodically held it each for several hundred years each or less. From Around 1000- 1700. The Jews were a minority in Israel for quite some time.

Funnily enough, it was the muslims not the christians who tried to protect the Jews in and around Jerusalem. Christians did alot more damage. Crusaders pillaged and raped the crap outta the jews.
After the Crusades - The arabs controlled Israel up until the 1950's. When the Jews basically kicked out the Muslims/Arabs. Even if the country was partitioned. There was only so much holy land to go around. The Jews wanted more - So with Britian & America's help they have been ****ting alover every Muslim country around them since then.

Sorry to burst your bubble Aylisa - But Israel is the main underlying problem for all the torubles in the middle east. It will be for many more years until America is willing to actually recognise whats going on because of it. Rather than turning there backs whenever Israel does something questionable.

[hemlock1989]

It's funny how refugees are by international law supposed to return to where they are from, but it is made an exception in that country. It's just both sides trying to claim they have religious ownership over land.. land is something that is supposed to be shared by diving a country into a half owns each side is what caused the whole thing to escalate. Not to mention oppression

More people have been killed in the name of god from religions like Christianity, Islam and Judaism by wars that most other issues religion is ridiculous.

People's constant examples are they were here first during the before common era LOL. That's like the native Americans saying we were here first which is true, but saying now we are going to take large portions of your best land kick some of you off your homes even though now many Americans have become natives by being born here and lived here for generations with family etc.

It would honestly result in the same thing war. Saying that the bible states some people own certain land LOL keep trusting the words of out dated books with false promises.

[manofsparrow]

Way to read wikipedia.

Wikipedia's awesome.

[Ailysa]

Originally Posted by r0yalty

This does not even compare to the amount of missiles shot into Palestine daily. (also, the Palestinian missiles are much less advanced than the Isreali ones, which are more poweful and far more accurate)The Palestinians are the ones fighting back; how would you feel if someone came and invaded YOUR country, and left you a fraction of it's original size? This is even worse because Isreal and Palestine combined together are still a small country.

Excuse me? Please find some evidence, rather than rumours that sprung from your peers' mouths, please. I remember that the actual figures were that the Palestinian rockets fired into Israel were MORE than 100:1 or 1000:1, with Israel being the 1. Is is only the Israeli rockets that you hear about. That is the point.

And does the fact that Israeli missiles are more advanced than the Palestinian rockets count for anything? Of course not. The intent is. The Palestinian rockets are being fired with the intent to kill civillians. Israeli rockets are fired with the intent to attack terrorists.

And I'm sure you didn't hear of the incident during the Lebanon war, that the hezbollah militants had a base with weapons right next to a school, in order to disguise themselves or use the schoolchildren in the adjoining block as protection from being shot at.

Originally Posted by guntakeda

Way to read wikipedia.

I can tell you right now that I did not use wikipedia for any information, but from what I know actually happened.

Originally Posted by guntakeda

Israel according to the bible (>.>) is the rightful home of the jews. With all the holy ground etc. However since before christ i think 200BC - The jews had all but pissed off from running Israel. Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule. Jewish presence in the region dwindled.

Despite the empires which reigned Israel at those times, there were Jews always present in the country - even after the Babylonian exile and similiar events; heck, they were in the country before any of the world religions were founded.

Originally Posted by guntakeda

Then came the crusades. were mainly a majority of Muslims & Christians were fighting over Israel (namely Jerusalem) And periodically held it each for several hundred years each or less. From Around 1000- 1700. The Jews were a minority in Israel for quite some time.

I wouldn't exactly say they were a minority. Yes, there were others living aswell at the time, but if the Jews had always been living in the country, I'm not sure that the newcomers would dominate in numbers over the Israelities. Then again, the empires' armies was far larger than the Jews who fought back (who surprisingly won on many occasions).

Originally Posted by guntakeda

Funnily enough, it was the muslims not the christians who tried to protect the Jews in and around Jerusalem. Christians did alot more damage. Crusaders pillaged and raped the crap outta the jews.
After the Crusades - The arabs controlled Israel up until the 1950's. When the Jews basically kicked out the Muslims/Arabs. Even if the country was partitioned. There was only so much holy land to go around. The Jews wanted more - So with Britian & America's help they have been ****ting alover every Muslim country around them since then.

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the Muslim's protecting the Jews to make an opinion - only the briefs.

But the "Jews basically kicked out the Muslims/Arabs?" No. The land was split between the Arabs and Jews, with the Muslims actually having a more favourable portion the land. Despite the agreement of the countries of the world, all 6 Arab countries attacked to take all of the land. The Jews fought back and pushed the Arabs back out of Israel's borders. It was a dire mistake for all 6 Arab countries. They should not have tried to defy the veto.

Your last sentance is completely false. Yes, the Jews wanted the land of Israel when it was split between them and the Arabs, as their land was seperated from the holy city of Jerusalem. And the temple too was in Arab hands. But after the Arabs attacked and the Jews pushed them out, they do not want any more land. Why should they wish for more land? Israel is the Jewish state and they do not want any more but the land that was promised to them (according to the bible). The statement that Jews want more land since then and all powerful countries support them is false and are spread as myths/rumours against Israel. And the reason that America is in Arab countries such as Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with Israel, atlhough my own thoughts about them being there for the oil and because of 911 / 'defence' against future attacks may be true and untrue in many respects.


EDIT: Anyway, I'm glad you're one of the few who know your history ^^

[hemlock1989]

Originally Posted by Ailysa

Excuse me? Please find some evidence, rather than rumours that sprung from your peers' mouths, please. I remember that the actual figures were that the Palestinian rockets fired into Israel were MORE than 100:1 or 1000:1, with Israel being the 1. Is is only the Israeli rockets that you hear about. That is the point.

And does the fact that Israeli missiles are more advances than the Palestinian rockets? Of course not. The intent is. The Palestinian rockets are being fired with the intent to kill civillians. Israeli rockets are fired with the intent to attack terrorists.

And I'm sure you didn't hear that the hezbollah militants had a base with weapons right next to a school, in order to disguise themselves or use the schoolchildren in the adjoining block as protection from being shot at.

I can tell you right now that I did not use wikipedia for any information, but from what I know actually happened.

Despite the empires which reigned Israel at those times, there were Jews always present in the country - even after the Babylonian exile and similiar events; heck, they were in the country before any of the world religions were founded.

I wouldn't exactly say they were a minority. Yes, there were others living aswell at the time, but if the Jews had always been living in the country, I'm not sure that the newcomers would dominate in numbers over the Israelities. Then again, the empires' armies was far larger than the Jews who fought back (and surprisingly won on many occasions).

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the Muslim's protecting the Jews to make an opinion - only the briefs. But the "Jews basically kicked out the Muslims/Arabs? No. The land was split between the Arabs and Jews, with the Muslims actually having a more favourable portion the land. Despite the agreement of the countries of the world, all 6 Arab countries attacked to take all of the land. The Jews fought back and pushed the Arabs back out of Israel's borders. It was a dire mistake for all 6 Arab countries. They should not have tried to defy the veto.

Your last sentance is completely false. Yes, the Jews wanted the land of Israel when it was split between them and the Arabs, as their land was seperated from the holy city of Jerusalem. And the temple too was in Arab hands. But after the Arabs attacked and the Jews pushed them out, they do not want any more land. Why should they wish for more land? Israel is the Jewish state and they do not want any more but the land that was promised to them. The statement that Jews want more land since then and all powerful countries support them is false and are spread as myths/rumours against Israel. And the reason that America is in Arab countries such as Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with Israel, atlhough my own thoughts about them being there for the oil and because of 911 / 'defence' against future attacks may be true and untrue in many respects.

LOL once again read my first post second of all your rambling more favorable portion? Not and the United States does not have their army in Iran so I have no idea what you are trying to bring up?

It was clearly brought up that Iraq was invaded over a story of fake weapons from falsified intelligence who honestly cares about invading those countries that may eventually lead to draft etc just leave it before it hurts what is important our economy.

Like I said suppose some people are oppressed after a large war
and your country is divided around half and you are forced to relocated most people wouldn't take that lightly.

As far as ratio it's like someone throwing a bunch of pebbles at someone then someone launches a boulder your numbers are nowhere near right. As far as them properly locating the people who are actually firing those rockets they take tanks in and clearly do much more damage to civilians than most of those inaccurate rockets can do.

Before world war 2 the Jewish population was a minority and saying they did not want the rest of the land please it was their version of United States manifest destiny. It is practically the same way that the United States mistreated the natives except different in its own ways.

That conflict is fu.cking stupid and wont be politically resolved any time soon as far as that being an out of control conflict the amount of fighting their is so limited hell in some areas in the United States you get just as many deaths from random gun violence.

[Ailysa]

I dismissed your first post and the first half of your second, as I don't understand what you're trying to say. Maybe its just me because its late at night and I've missed on alot of sleep during the last couple of days.
ie.

LOL once again read my first post second of all your rambling more favorable portion?

your rambling more favourable portion?
Errr... what? Proper english sentances please. Maybe that's why I have trouble understanding, no offence.

Like I said suppose some people are oppressed after a large war
and your country is divided around half and you are forced to relocated most people wouldn't take that lightly.

I don't live in Israel...

I'm from Australia...

And I'm sure Israel didn't appreciate that they too have lost half their country (and may I stress again the better half), but they were atleast appreciative to have some land, rather then attack the Arabs to steal what they wanted.

As far as ratio it's like someone throwing a bunch of pebbles at someone then someone launches a boulder your numbers are nowhere near right. As far as them properly locating the people who are actually firing those rockets they take tanks in and clearly do much more damage to civilians than most of those inaccurate rockets can do.

That is just like the comment I said before, where

And I'm sure you didn't hear of the incident during the Lebanon war, that the hezbollah militants had a base with weapons right next to a school, in order to disguise themselves or use the schoolchildren in the adjoining block as protection from being shot at.

These palestinian terrorists are firing rockets from places with a heavy amount of civilians in the area. They are putting their own men in danger by firing rockets at Israel. What is Israel meant to do? Allow rockets to continue to come and kill their own civilians? No. They need to get rid of their attackers to stop the threat. It is tough enough for the Israeli army trying to minimise civilian deaths when the terrorists shoot missiles from heavily populated places, but they simply cannot let themselves be attacked.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians for peace and in return, they have recieved countless missiles thrown into the country. Do you think that a country that aims for peace deserves this? These terrorists want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. I can only see one perpetrator and two victims in this outbreak. The perpetrator obviously being the terrorists who have the intent to kill civilians and the victims being Israel - who wishes for peace and has become the scapegoat in the media, and the civilians in Gaza, who too wish for peace but unfortunately fall victim in crossfires.

Before world war 2 the Jewish population was a minority and saying they did not want the rest of the land please it was their version of United States manifest destiny. It is practically the same way that the United States mistreated the natives except different in its own ways.

I completely missed your point here.

That conflict is fu.cking stupid and wont be politically resolved any time soon as far as that being an out of control conflict the amount of fighting their is so limited hell in some areas in the United States you get just as many deaths from random gun violence.

That is true. We all want wars and conflicts to stop. Israel is prepared for peace. I'm sure many in America wish for gun violence to stop. The question is, when will those who cause the conflicts decide to stop fighting?