Obama - the democratic nominee

[Conquista]

The chance for democrats to win this year is fairly high, since the senate and house of rep is controlled by the democrats, and after bush's **** ups during his term as president. He would've been impeached for the war in iraq making false statements about nuclear missiles and etc, if the house of rep and senate weren't controlled by the republican party.

anyway, what do you all think about Obama, the first African American presidential nominee. Having a good chance to win this year's election. There are also rumors that if he does win, chances are that he might even get assassinated during his term in office by some angry racist person.

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by Conquista

The chance for democrats to win this year is fairly high, since the senate and house of rep is controlled by the democrats, and after bush's **** ups during his term as president. He would've been impeached for the war in iraq making false statements about nuclear missiles and etc, if the house of rep and senate weren't controlled by the republican party.

anyway, what do you all think about Obama, the first African American presidential nominee. Having a good chance to win this year's election. There are also rumors that if he does win, chances are that he might even get assassinated during his term in office by some angry racist person.

I think he's a bad choice for president, honestly. I mean, not to say that Clinton is perfect, but I'd rather her than Obama any day. Why? Because Obama hasn't had enough experience, for one. Two, he was initially funded by some kind of slum lord of Chicago, and I'm sure he'll be "returning the favor." Three, most of his votes in the senate have been "present," which is equivalent to neutrality. That means he was neither for or against the issues raised in the senate. Why did he do it this way? Two reasons: One, he didn't want to make enemies because a decision is bound to make enemies on one of the sides, and that's bound to hurt him in the long run and label him in a certain light. Two, he is not a decision maker--he is afraid to make decisions. The President of the United States has to make decisions constantly, and this guy's record shows that he's incapable of doing the job. So he's inexperienced, and has trouble with decision making. Is that the kind of president you people want? I don't. I don't care that the guy's black, and people shouldn't support him just on the sole grounds that he's black, which I've seen to be the case with quite a few people.

Anyway, Hillary, at least in my opinion, fits the job description a lot better. She is aggressive, and she looks like she'd set goals and bust her ass to achieve them. She strikes me as a go-getter, which is defintely the first good sign.

Aside from all that, I'll comment on the fact that I'm glad we finally got a democratic president. Not that I'm a strong democrat supporter, but I lean more on that side than the republican side. There's just too much "God" on the republican side, I'm sorry to say. And not to offend anyone that's religious, but I'd rather religion be kept out of politics as much as possible. After all, we're a secular nation, but it certainly doesn't come off that way when every single president up until the latest is a proclaimed Christian, and more than half of the United States are Christians, and groups like the Christian Coalition are among the most powerful and influential groups in the United States.

Furthermore, I'd like to say that I wish there were more parties involved than simply republican and democrat. That's just too clear cut, and the reality is that it's not at all. In fact, the whole concept of republican versus democrat blurs reality. Why? Because it shouldn't matter which category a person falls into, it's their beliefs and opinions that matter. I realize that I'm contradicting my previous statement, but not only was I speaking generally there, but the party system "forces" candidates to alter their views in such a way that they fall into either one of the categories.

Anyway, just my two dollars.

[Sinjihn]

Im black my mom is black my sister is black. We are voting for Obama because he is black. I personally don't care because I actually don't like him, but of course, black people and supporting their race comes before picking a person to lead our country into poverty or wealth. I don't know much about their background information, I haven't seen any information yet on them, all I can assume about them is what I hear. Most people in my town, Jackson,NJ, are going to vote for Obama, because they feel he is much more of a "fair" president. However, being fair only constitutes indecision especially when faced with problems such as picking between two things. But then again, i don't know much about this election in particular.

[Joel2k11]

Originally Posted by Sinjihn

Im black my mom is black my sister is black. We are voting for Obama because he is black. I personally don't care because I actually don't like him, but of course, black people and supporting their race comes before picking a person to lead our country into poverty or wealth. I don't know much about their background information, I haven't seen any information yet on them, all I can assume about them is what I hear. Most people in my town, Jackson,NJ, are going to vote for Obama, because they feel he is much more of a "fair" president. However, being fair only constitutes indecision especially when faced with problems such as picking between two things. But then again, i don't know much about this election in particular.

So you'd rather vote for a black president than a GOOD president.

people like you are the problem with this planet, ***ker.

[Conquista]

To me I think Obama still can do a decent job as a president, but Hillary definitely has the upperhand on politics, experience, and knowledge. I voted for Hillary, but whatever hopefully Barack won't be a **** up like Bush.

btw about Bush
Bush Overstated Iraq Evidence, Senators report
**** can't do anything right, but bombhappy,kill our soldiers, and put our economy to ****. Covering themselves up

[Cribby]

Originally Posted by Joel2k11

So you'd rather vote for a black president than a GOOD president.

people like you are the problem with this planet, ***ker.

actually most of the people in the US don't know anything about Obama , Clinton , McCain. So i guess there are many ***kers in the US

[Hamburger]

Well I haven't read any other post but if obama makes it he's going to be assinated. America isn't ready for a black president, or one with his low experience.

[Machiko]

Originally Posted by Yvgeniy

I think he's a bad choice for president, honestly. I mean, not to say that Clinton is perfect, but I'd rather her than Obama any day. Why? Because Obama hasn't had enough experience, for one. Two, he was initially funded by some kind of slum lord of Chicago, and I'm sure he'll be "returning the favor." Three, most of his votes in the senate have been "present," which is equivalent to neutrality. That means he was neither for or against the issues raised in the senate. Why did he do it this way? Two reasons: One, he didn't want to make enemies because a decision is bound to make enemies on one of the sides, and that's bound to hurt him in the long run and label him in a certain light. Two, he is not a decision maker--he is afraid to make decisions. The President of the United States has to make decisions constantly, and this guy's record shows that he's incapable of doing the job. So he's inexperienced, and has trouble with decision making. Is that the kind of president you people want? I don't. I don't care that the guy's black, and people shouldn't support him just on the sole grounds that he's black, which I've seen to be the case with quite a few people.

Anyway, Hillary, at least in my opinion, fits the job description a lot better. She is aggressive, and she looks like she'd set goals and bust her ass to achieve them. She strikes me as a go-getter, which is defintely the first good sign.

Aside from all that, I'll comment on the fact that I'm glad we finally got a democratic president. Not that I'm a strong democrat supporter, but I lean more on that side than the republican side. There's just too much "God" on the republican side, I'm sorry to say. And not to offend anyone that's religious, but I'd rather religion be kept out of politics as much as possible. After all, we're a secular nation, but it certainly doesn't come off that way when every single president up until the latest is a proclaimed Christian, and more than half of the United States are Christians, and groups like the Christian Coalition are among the most powerful and influential groups in the United States.

Furthermore, I'd like to say that I wish there were more parties involved than simply republican and democrat. That's just too clear cut, and the reality is that it's not at all. In fact, the whole concept of republican versus democrat blurs reality. Why? Because it shouldn't matter which category a person falls into, it's their beliefs and opinions that matter. I realize that I'm contradicting my previous statement, but not only was I speaking generally there, but the party system "forces" candidates to alter their views in such a way that they fall into either one of the categories.

Anyway, just my two dollars.

But ppl want a black president

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by Machiko

But ppl want a black president

Doesn't matter. If you vote for a president solely based on his/her skin color, then what are you? Racist. Not only that, but you're also neglecting the person and his/her views. That's what ultimately matters in a presidential election, and I'm sure George Bush is good enough example of that.

[Seriatim]

**** that.

people like the poster i quoted earlier honestly shouldn't think like that.

just because the person is black?

thats complete bull**** and ignorant.

[slingblader]

Well, what if the point isn't so much that he's black so he must be "right," as that we need a black president. What if you know that we'll never get a truly perfect president, and that with our system each will generally be equally effective. If that's the case, one could vote for him in the hopes of expanding America's integration. Just play devil's advocate.

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by slingblader

Well, what if the point isn't so much that he's black so he must be "right," as that we need a black president. What if you know that we'll never get a truly perfect president, and that with our system each will generally be equally effective. If that's the case, one could vote for him in the hopes of expanding America's integration. Just play devil's advocate.

Not a chance I'm willing to take. Like I said, race shouldn't factor into this. Regardless of race, first and foremost it's the person himself/herself that should be taken into account. And of the two choice presented on the side of democracy, Hillary just looks better of the two. Either way it would be first woman president, so what you're talking about is accomplished regardless.