Does Time Exist? / Time Travel

[Chokichi]

Ok.. let's start this thread off with : i have no idea if this thread has previously been created / investigated in nor do i care ; i want new idea's from new members.. not that of members from 2 years ago.

Ok then lets begin.

Time : does it even exist? well that is a question only answered by the way you interpret time in yourself.. you can consider time merely a infinite measurement, constantly measuring ... measuring time .. so time measures itself? No... time is measuring time ... it's a weird concept but if you do consider time as a measurement then what is time measuring ? ... Time lol. It is measuring a .. thing but to say what thing you have to go back to the name of the measurement ... but basically we all know what time is... although i fail to explain it in words ... its a space of TIME... wow i really just can't get my head past that.So if you consider time a measurement ; which in effect it is measuring something in which is infinite how can you measure that ? You can't you can merely record it and keep track of it ... which would therefore make time not a measurement but in the case that it is ... Time measures itself? I fail to see any real end to this loop of thinking - it's like me creating a measurement now that is called "Fipe" ( random name ) Ok lets take fipe - fipe is a infinite.. it is always there and will always be there no matter how you look at it you use fipe as a measurement because fipe will be there eternally even if the universe is ... completely destroyed. So now .. is fipe a measurement or is it it's own thing? Fipe is .. measuring itself it is manmade but at the same time infinite so not being measured at all but controlled / recorded so therefore fipe isn't a measurement. This takes away the possibility of time being a measurement.

Ok so thinking about that and time being a measurement you think ... ok before i read this i had my own idea about what time is but after reading it mine doesn't make sense and nor does that so what is left for time to be ? A dimension ofc. Ok so now there is a 4th dimension ..

Lets clear this up - paper has 2 dimensions length and width but not height ... imagine if paper had a brain / intelligence of some sort. If we then introduced a 3 dimensional object .. say a pin to the paper the paper would be at a loss because the concept of a 3rd dimension to it would seem preposterous to it .. it would physically be doing to what is the paper the impossible so this is why we find the whole idea of a 4th dimension stupid / hard to follow... this takes alot of thinking .. and i mean alot. So imagine we poked the pin through the paper .. it is then there in the paper ... the paper would not of ever saw anything happen because the paper has no concept of height so if the pin came down and stabbed through the paper in the papers mind / intelligence the pin has now came from nowhere at all. So it is .. if i pulled the pin out the pin has now gone suddenly altogether. Ok so now consider this : if i fold the piece of paper in half ... then put the pin in through both pieces the pin [to the paper] is now in 2 places at once.

So this brings me onto a 4th dimension for us : Time. If time were a 4th dimension then time travel would be possible but like the paper the concept / logical explanation on how is just hard for us to grasp. So for the 4th dimension there has to be a bond / theory ... Einstein's theory of relativity. This is supposedly time to speed. Think .. if you are moving so fast you are spending so much time doing whatever .. you may say : you can spend 1 min moving 10000000 mph or whatever but at the end of the day it is still 1 minute to everyone on earth .. so speed cannot therefore control time ... but can control time travel .. but only forwards supposedly... think if i was moving at X speed for Y time.. but think : if i am moving so fast in space .. space is the key here to time travel .. it takes so long to do something in space but takes longer elsewhere in the universe ... just as going at such a high speed away from earth it would take you 8 months or whatever to get to your destination away from earth its 8 months for everyone else .. but time travel is done only in yourself .. your 8 months of travel could be 12 months elsewhere .. a day on a distant planet is much longer elsewhere .. i am sorry i have explained this section so bad but like i said it is a hard concept to grasp .. i'm actually getting mad now because my brain is muddled up now .. i had this section clear in my head before i began .. the time speed relation made sense in my head until i started writing this .. i've had to be writing down my thoughts as i think them because i am forgetting things as i go because of how weird it is.. the only way that seems logic to me at this very moment in time to explain this is sleeping .. you sleep for what seems 2 mins and hours have passed .. so now you can say .. ok time has gone faster for you because your mind shutdown and time has passed very fast but to someone who stayed awake all night time went the same speed. So time travel is performed within ourself.
[AS THIS THREAD MOVES ON MY MIND WILL CLEAR AND I WILL PROPOSE MY IDEA'S]

Well i guess we can now move onto paradox's .. if i was to go back into time to kill my grandfather could i do it? No of course ot .. thats stupid .. i would then cause a paradox ... if i kill my grandad then my grand dad wouldn't have had my father who wouldn't have ever had me .. but then my grand dad is dead .. so who killed him... ? it wasn't me because of course i wasn't alive so nobody ever killed him therefore i am now alive again because nobody ever did kill him at all .. infact he was never killed therefore i am now alive and everybody is and nothing changed .. so if i was to attempt to kill my granddad something MUST go wrong ... he must dodge it or something because him dieing ISN'T a possibility at all .. there is no way he could die because i couldn't have done it. /paradox lol.

Time travel in the present since .. whenever ... we could have seen time travel already and never have even realised it .. most of what our civilization is based upon to this very date could be the doings of time travel .. maybe i could have wrote this whole entire paragraph because myself traveled from the future and told me to write this .. or Leonardo davinchi ( i can't spell ) had made plans of a time machine way before the concept was thought of .. this therefore triggered the whole of our scientist's to look into time travel because time travel was already created by someone in the far future came back telling him to create these pictures .. which then changed history forever due to time travel .. but wait this is now impossible because by creating this picture of time travel machines scientist's have now looked into time travel possibility's more closely so the time machine was now created much closer in the future i guess ... so there may have been much different times so the guy who ever tipped off davinchi about time machines never existed because the technology of them was created so much longer before that his time machine was never created. So he doesn't exist no now nobody ever told him to create those pictures and he gets full credit therefore he is a genius. By someone else's knowledge .. but technically nobody's knowledge just an idea of a person who was once existent in the future but now isn't.

Was pretty mind bobbling to create this but i tryed ... it is hard though.

[Prosperity]

To many dots.

I know a good comment but I cant seem to put it in a decent english sentence, be back later.

[Ad4M l uK]

Time exist to us, so does life.

We name things to our own liking, Purple isn't named Red, Blue isn't named Pokemon, etc.

Time may be God.

I don't know where i'm going with this so i'll stop...

[Chokichi]

Originally Posted by Ad4M l uK

Time exist to us, so does life.

We name things to our own liking, Purple isn't named Red, Blue isn't named Pokemon, etc.

Time may be God.

I don't know where i'm going with this so i'll stop...

mmm yes but none of those things are a measurement or a dimension.

[Joel2k11]

I don't get what you're saying because of the horrible structure of your... thing.

But basically time isn't constant, it depends on the observer. e.g for someone traveling at high speed, time will pass slower than a stationary observer. so theoretically if you said humans into an accelerating craft for x amount of years, they could return say 100 years later, and only have aged 10 years.

Humans concept of time in based on fractions of the Earths orbit and rotation.

ie 1/365 of the earths orbit = 1 day or
1/24 of the earths rotation = 1 hour

edit: ha ha

[slingblader]

Time is the measurements we give to measure cause and effect, basically.

[Colby]

Yes, time travel exists forward, backwards too but only if you go out to the edge of the universe. That's all perception though, the reality of the matter is you can't really go into the future or past, because if you are removed from your current time frame to backwards you could disrupt the time stream and cause the time machine to never be invented or something of that matter and essentially you would cease to exist.

As far as the future, well we are always doing that, it's just slow. We could speed it up I suppose but we may as well be changing the time stream for a our future. Think about it, if a bunch of people go to the future and bring back technology, it may cause some war. Maybe we are advanced enough in the future to be at peace and have to reason for weapons other than hunting or something like that, or defending against other species.

[fgjk]

Originally Posted by Joel2k11

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But basically time is constant,

Theory of relativity, time changes depending on how fast your going....
Speed of light is the only constant...

[TrainerSocks]

I have the answer but this forum is too small to contain it.

[Kira91]

time is a unit of measurement, to go back in time, we must recognize no measurements.
the fact that we only see time as going forward only holds us back from going back.


iunno mang.

[Joel2k11]

Originally Posted by fgjk

Theory of relativity, time changes depending on how fast your going....
Speed of light is the only constant...

oh gawd, it was like midnight when i wrote that...

i WAS meant to say time isnt constant sniehieh

[guntakeda]

Time is a man made construct. So Mins, Hours, Day, Years etc.
But the concept of time exists everywhere. No matter what part of the universe your from. However there perception of time might be different.
So what we might call a min 60 seconds - they might call it 106 (also in an alien language lol) Eg: 106 SnarfSnarf xD

Obviously it depends on how others based there calender their own time on for example. Man used the sun & the earths rotation to figure out his time. Where ever the sun is, this corrosponds to what time it is during the day.

So other beings in the universe might of based it on the same thing, But there sun(s)/moon(s) could take longer or less time to orbit.
So the answer is yes! time is real - Its just the perceptions/concepts of reading time that change.

Time travel I dont really know much about!
But it is supposed to be possible. You have to travel faster than the speed of light. Ofcourse it wont happen.
I suggest you watch Donnie Darko. It has a great plot about time travel etc & a really interesting concept of how to time travel/ what happens!

[AaronCooper]

Time is a man made construct?

Sorry but, i'm pretty sure the mins, hours, days, years are based upon our solar system and was worked out by tracing stars... The measurement was already there, someone just named it.

This threads trying to confuse Time (the name we gave as a measure), with Time (the aging process of the universe).

[Paul]

Apparently there is scientific evidence that movement affects the flow of time. How, I'm not sure. But I do know that einstein, and a successor of his both innovated the ideas of time travel. Einstein wrote the golden rule that you can never travel backwards in time, and his successor defied that rule. Both were correct, and both proved their theories correct mathematically. According to what I've heard, Einstein's successor(wish I could remember his name) didn't actually contradict Einstein either, he simply found a way around the golden rule which allows a person to travel backward in time, if conditions are right.

Anyway, I do think time travel is very possible. The experiments I was talking about earlier evidently conclude that if you place a clock in a second story room, and the same one on the first floor of the same building, the one on top will appear to be faster than the one on the bottom. In reality, the two are ticking at the same pace. But due to the earth's rotation, anything that is at a higher altitude is moving faster than something at a lower altitude. Thus, the sped up movement will cause the clock on the second floor to move through time faster than the one on the first floor. Keep in mind though, that this difference in speed affects time so little that the difference would hardly ever be noticable. I have heard of "atomic clocks" however, which tick 9 billion times per second and which, if one was placed at sea level and another on a mountain, would show for sure that the one at the higher altitude ticks faster.

Originally Posted by AaronCooper

Time is a man made construct?

Sorry but, i'm pretty sure the mins, hours, days, years are based upon our solar system and was worked out by tracing stars... The measurement was already there, someone just named it.

This threads trying to confuse Time (the name we gave as a measure), with Time (the aging process of the universe).

I think you're separating the two a bit too much. The units of measure directly relate to the passing of actual time. I don't see how the original post in any way confuses the two.

[LordShaft]

I can travel in time, infact i;m traveling forward in time right now

and when you go to sleep, you wake up IN THE FUTURE

Imagining the Tenth Dimension - A Book by Rob Bryanton


Also paper has a height, but i see what ure trying to say