School grouping?

[Chokichi]

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?

Share your views on this

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...

[slingblader]

Classes should definitely bet set based on intelligence level. I am by no means against helping out and giving extra funding or w/e to those who need to catch up, but don't slow down the average, and especially the expectational, student.

I see how it can be viewed as, not discrimination, but something to that connotation, especially from the lower leveled student, by why enforce the idea that complacency is ok? It wont be when they leave school.

[Colby]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?

Share your views on this

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...

In my opinion I believe every child has his own intelligence and should be raised in a system that supports that without all the baggage of things they aren't very capable of. So if a child over time develops a love for carpentry, they should be able to specialize in that in school without the academics unnecessary to be a carpenter.

I like my idea of a triangle method of schooling, where you start out broad like we have now and slowly nick away at the unneeded stuff, leaving only the specialization by the time they finish. See because what we have now leaves behind a lot of kids due to their inabilities in certain subjects. They end up failing, getting discouraged, and then they end up a janitor or some low end member of society.

With this system though, they are supported not only by the staff, they are supported by the system itself, because if they show a severe lack in aptitude for something, it can be cut away and they won't fail.

I realize of course there would still be cracks, and probably some issue I don't have the foresight to see right now cause I'm kinda tired. However, I think this would be much better than waiting until high school before the kids can really start specializing. Even in high school though you aren't really chipping away the things you don't need, and I can give you can example. If you are lets say, and artist, and over the years you've shown real interest and talent in that subject, well for art you really don't need to know history. Why you ask? Because anything you might actually need to know can be found anywhere on the web or in the library IF you need to know it. It doesn't need to be shoved down your throat. So you would proceed through your classes as normal. Anything you show aptitude in is embellished, anything you fail in is cut away. This specialization will make much more productive and happy members of society.

[slingblader]

Originally Posted by Billionz

In my opinion I believe every child has his own intelligence and should be raised in a system that supports that without all the baggage of things they aren't very capable of. So if a child over time develops a love for carpentry, they should be able to specialize in that in school without the academics unnecessary to be a carpenter.

I like my idea of a triangle method of schooling, where you start out broad like we have now and slowly nick away at the unneeded stuff, leaving only the specialization by the time they finish. See because what we have now leaves behind a lot of kids due to their inabilities in certain subjects. They end up failing, getting discouraged, and then they end up a janitor or some low end member of society.

With this system though, they are supported not only by the staff, they are supported by the system itself, because if they show a severe lack in aptitude for something, it can be cut away and they won't fail.

I realize of course there would still be cracks, and probably some issue I don't have the foresight to see right now cause I'm kinda tired. However, I think this would be much better than waiting until high school before the kids can really start specializing. Even in high school though you aren't really chipping away the things you don't need, and I can give you can example. If you are lets say, and artist, and over the years you've shown real interest and talent in that subject, well for art you really don't need to know history. Why you ask? Because anything you might actually need to know can be found anywhere on the web or in the library IF you need to know it. It doesn't need to be shoved down your throat. So you would proceed through your classes as normal. Anything you show aptitude in is embellished, anything you fail in is cut away. This specialization will make much more productive and happy members of society.

A good idea, but let's be honest, how many people can say they really know what they want before high school. Plenty don't even know by then. I mean, math was and still is my strongest subject, but I despise it. I would hate to be put down that path just because I was good at it. and what happens to those late switchers, who suddenly lack everything they need?

[°Jacob°]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?

Share your views on this

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...

I think all kids are about on the same level of intelligence, i think it mostly depends on there parents and how lenient their parents are, bad grades are probably from lack of discipline. Anyway i think they should be seperated on grade level. Harder work should be rewarded by moving to a higher class. Also, the comparison with the racial discrimination, that is totally unrelated, They arent being segregated, they are being placed by their skills, Race segregation, has nothing to do with skills or anything you can control, just what you are born as. most to all racists are usually close minded.

[Mr.Lucifer]

Intelligence classes work somewhat. You learn more but it creates a segregation. The smart kids will usually be cocky and the "dumb" ones will be hating them.

People are good at different things. Making some people feel smarter than the rest just because their mind is at numbers and not sofas makes bad environment which in turn makes bad learning.

[Chokichi]

Originally Posted by °Jacob°

I think all kids are about on the same level of intelligence, i think it mostly depends on there parents and how lenient their parents are, bad grades are probably from lack of discipline. Anyway i think they should be seperated on grade level. Harder work should be rewarded by moving to a higher class. Also, the comparison with the racial discrimination, that is totally unrelated, They arent being segregated, they are being placed by their skills, Race segregation, has nothing to do with skills or anything you can control, just what you are born as. most to all racists are usually close minded.

All children aren't on the same intelligence level -.- all children are generally very different academically .. but when at school i was always bright and especially when i was sat with the smarter people in the class it really brought out the best of me, because back then i was too young to care about my "rep" and all the smart people had a ... competitive side so it felt good when i passed my exam's with slightly better grades..

But the whole "better graded classes" wouldn't work in primary school because that is done on an age level generally if this was implied in younger children their intelligence level could be controlling when they go to high school and potentially when they leave school... so if a kid has left school by the age of 13-14 they have a potential gap of 2 years until they can work and unless they do regular revision their intelligence will rot.

And i think you got the wrong idea about the racism ... i meant it as in ... if we group children with a specific aspect how are we ever going to teach them that grouping of race's is wrong or any discrimination is wrong if we are grouping them by their academic skills ? If i was young and being grouping based on how good i am at something i'd be thinking ... this is b/s schools can split kids up into how dumb they are but we can't break society down into groups of gay's lesbians race's etc?

[Jon88]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?

Share your views on this

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...

They should be taught just as classes. Dividing kids into smaller groups, based on, "special needs" is a waste of time and money.

I do believe America's (sorry if I wasn't suppose to bring up a specific place) education is being destroyed by things such as, "No Child Left Behind", and the incredibly dumbed down standardized testing.

We need to keep raising the bar, rather than lowering to suit "less intelligent" people. Those less intelligent people can merely repeat a class/grade until they can pass it. We do not need to make the class and the next class easier, the children should just repeat/go back a grade until they get it. An 18 year old in 5th grade, sounds fine to me.

[Sinjihn]

Originally Posted by Chokichi

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?

Share your views on this

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...

Isn't this the whole reason why america fails against other countries IQ wise?
At least the majority. Most countries dictate your future at an age where your intelligence is already viewable

[fgjk]

Do you believe children should be set into groups of intelligence to be taught or just as classes?
Groups of intelligence, but with mobility to switch

How can we teach children about how racial discrimination is wrong if we are segregating them at such a young age ...
Its based upon what they have accomplished, not skin color, or race

But then again do you feel that more intelligent children should be dumbed down by being mixed with lower ability children?
Its happened to me..., so no...

Share your views on this
Mkay

I personally believe academic classes such as science math and english should be taught by intelligence groups... But stuff like personal development should be taught with people you know and can open up to...
I find that I relate much more to kids in my "more intelligent" classes than to those in regular classes, so no I'd be more similar to those in my "intelligence group", when discussing personal development... However one does need to see how other people live, otherwise it just builds ignorance.

[Colby]

Originally Posted by slingblader

A good idea, but let's be honest, how many people can say they really know what they want before high school. Plenty don't even know by then. I mean, math was and still is my strongest subject, but I despise it. I would hate to be put down that path just because I was good at it. and what happens to those late switchers, who suddenly lack everything they need?

Well, I think no school system is going to be perfect, but I think it would be based more on interests rather than talents, and a guiding hand to make sure your interests and talents coincide into a future career. As opposed to random guessing based totally on wants and what you think you're good at.

Like, in the system I proposed if you wanted to make a rapid change like that it may take few steps back on the ladder, but eventually you could reintegrate your other skills into a future career, that maybe doesn't involve math.

[Heidenreich8]

No.

That idea is just stupid, waste of money and time.

[Mr.Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Heidenreich8

No.

That idea is just stupid, waste of money and time.

Some countries have enough money to do stuff like that you know...