Ms-13

[Germ]

Mara Salvatrucha refers to large gangs in Central America and the United States. The gang names are commonly abbreviated as MS, Mara, and MS-13, and are composed mostly of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, and other Central Americans. The Mara Salvatrucha gangs have cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and Latin America.

The gang has moved beyond its Salvadoran and American origins and now can be found in other nations, including Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Spain, Australia, Great Britain and Germany, according to international press on criminal activity. Membership in the U.S was believed to be as many as 50,000 in the United States as of 2005. MS-13 criminal activities include drug smuggling and sales, black market gun sales, human trafficking, theft, assaults on law enforcement officials, and contract killing.

Their activities have caught the eye of the FBI, who in September 2005 initiated wide-scale raids against suspected gang members, netting 660 arrests across the country. In the United States, the gang's strongholds have historically been in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Miami, Southern California, Washington, D.C., Northern Virginia, Maryland, the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, Richmond, and Delaware. Also in the Shenandoah Valley, Virginia. In Allentown, Harrisburg, Philadelphia, and other areas of Pennsylvania, the gang is known for its street graffiti, which is used to depict their presence on certain blocks and also sometimes provides clues to their forthcoming crimes, including murder, robbery, narcotics, and especially as a prediction of retaliatory violence.

Former gang member Brenda Paz said that MS-13 is well structured, with multiple leaders, and that the gang's goal is to become the top gang in the United States. After watching some videos and doing an investigation (considering this was my project for English) their was some knowledge found out upon that MS-13 only had one leader, in which he held power over a whopping 150,000 members.

You kids going on and on about the "bloodz and the cripz", sorry folks, MS-13 is a hundred times more ***ed up. They go slaughtering innocent people...whetther they are adults, teenagers, or even babies, male or female.

More about this gang below:

MS-13 NBC News Discussion

MS-13 Documentary Part 1
MS-13 Documentary Part 2
MS-13 Documentary Part 3
MS-13 Documentary Part 4
MS-13 Documentary Part 5
MS-13 Documentary Part 6
MS-13 Documentary Part 7
MS-13 Documentary Part 8
MS-13 Documentary Part 9
MS-13 Documentary Part 10
MS-13 Documentary Part 11
MS-13 Documentary Part 12
MS-13 Documentary Part 13
MS-13 Documentary Part 14
MS-13 Documentary Part 15
MS-13 Documentary Part 16
MS-13 Documentary Part 17
MS-13 Documentary Part 18
MS-13 Documentary Part 19
MS-13 Documentary Part 20

Germ's Final Thoughts About MS-13:

• This gang is getting worse, recruiting younger and younger members (up to the age of 6)
• They are getting more structural, organized, putting fear into enemy gangs, that they are forced out of towns
• Many police, FBI, and the navy, hasn't really done anything about it so far
• Bloodz and Cripz are kid gangs compared to these people
• They slaughter you for no reason

[castitatis]

I used to know a guy from an MS-13 gang situated in Montreal(quebec) back a few years ago. Never really got close to his gang, but I can tell you that most people in it aren'T so bad. Its true they can be dangerous, and that they follow orders(So don't get onto the bad side of them) But most of the time, they aren't so bad.

Don't judge a book by its cover.

But personally, I would never join a gang, even if I had no choice.

[Germ]

I know 3 MS-13 members... all young, very sad how the gang life interfered with their lives. Sure, maybe you think they aren't as bad to you, as if your nice to someone, most likely they will be nice to you. Killing innocent people however, which is a part of initiation, is clearly fcked. So any MS-13 member, unless he was just a wannabe, has to murder someone by their first year in the gang, shows how much you actually knew about him. Seriously man, this gang is fcked, gangs are all about drugs, power, reign, and fear, just because one doesn't appear bad, around his pals perhaps hes different. For one thing, what kind of person rear-ends you, then if you get out, they shoot you? Oh yeah...

[castitatis]

Well, think of this, there are different levels of killing.
Here, you show the act of randomly killing someone with a gun, at long range, and probably night, meaning they probably never saw the person's face and never will. Its not as bad as someone who would take a knife and starts chopping people up, someone taking pleasure in torturing someone else.

There are different levels of madness, and franctly, its not so hard to come out of a car and shoot randomly at someone, at least not as hard as cutting them into pieces.

They aren't as blood thirsty as you might think them, or see them, and I don't think ANY gang would require more then a random killing as part of an innitiation.
Really, all you have to do is point and click, just like in video games. Since no one will ever know you did it, whats so bad in it for you in the end.

Hell, its 500 times less bad then the small pitty fights kings had back 400+ years ago.

Bu yes, I'll agree, very sad how the gang life affects our kids now a days.

But don'T forget, you'Re talking to a person who'se dream would be to travel around the world with a sword straped to her belt and a bunch of friends to accompany her.

Something that will never happen. I was unfortunately born 400 years too late.

[Germ]

Originally Posted by castitatis

Well, think of this, there are different levels of killing.
Here, you show the act of randomly killing someone with a gun, at long range, and probably night, meaning they probably never saw the person's face and never will. Its not as bad as someone who would take a knife and starts chopping people up, someone taking pleasure in torturing someone else.

There are different levels of madness, and franctly, its not so hard to come out of a car and shoot randomly at someone, at least not as hard as cutting them into pieces.

They aren't as blood thirsty as you might think them, or see them, and I don't think ANY gang would require more then a random killing as part of an innitiation.
Really, all you have to do is point and click, just like in video games. Since no one will ever know you did it, whats so bad in it for you in the end.

Hell, its 500 times less bad then the small pitty fights kings had back 400+ years ago.

Bu yes, I'll agree, very sad how the gang life affects our kids now a days.

But don'T forget, you'Re talking to a person who'se dream would be to travel around the world with a sword straped to her belt and a bunch of friends to accompany her.

Something that will never happen. I was unfortunately born 400 years too late.

You see, the post you just made "different level of killing" is probably the dumbest thing I have seen, and im sure most people will agree. Killing an innocent bystander (whether you chop them up with machettes, or shoot them with a sniper off the top of a building, knowing there is well over 50,000 MS-13 members in USA as it is) still doesn't mean that they are harmless, is what my statement is about. Yes, some members are worse than others, but it doesn't give the right to kill an innocent bystander?

For example, recently the Manitoba Warriors moved to my little town, since the Hells Angel's (top priorities) are currently in prison under arrest, they came here seeking drug opprotunities. You know what their initiation is buddy? They get 14 year olds (recruitments since their young and once embezeling drugs, will have their record swiped clean once they turn 18) rape innocent girls, and use a cheesegrator (yes...) on their faces. That is not even killing someone, yet you see the danger, and commitment these fck ups do to people. Seeing atleast 4 of these natives, fighting two, they not so tough as you think, considering one of the leaders lives around my rural area, sadly. What does this guy get for gonig around doing this to people, his members, and the city? He lives in a house almost as big as mine, doing no work at all, except pushing huge amounts of drugs into the city screwing up the economy even more.

You see where I am getting with my point? You don't even make a consistant valid point, your rambling on about how MS-13 members aren't so bad bla bla. Killing is killing buddy, why you think people go to jail for it? Why you think their are jails? Learn some facts and sh¡t instead of trying to come here acting like a fcken retard.

[Heidenreich7]

****ing beaners.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Germ

You see, the post you just made "different level of killing" is probably the dumbest thing I have seen, and im sure most people will agree. Killing an innocent bystander (whether you chop them up with machettes, or shoot them with a sniper off the top of a building, knowing there is well over 50,000 MS-13 members in USA as it is) still doesn't mean that they are harmless, is what my statement is about. Yes, some members are worse than others, but it doesn't give the right to kill an innocent bystander?

For example, recently the Manitoba Warriors moved to my little town, since the Hells Angel's (top priorities) are currently in prison under arrest, they came here seeking drug opprotunities. You know what their initiation is buddy? They get 14 year olds (recruitments since their young and once embezeling drugs, will have their record swiped clean once they turn 18) rape innocent girls, and use a cheesegrator (yes...) on their faces. That is not even killing someone, yet you see the danger, and commitment these fck ups do to people. Seeing atleast 4 of these natives, fighting two, they not so tough as you think, considering one of the leaders lives around my rural area, sadly. What does this guy get for gonig around doing this to people, his members, and the city? He lives in a house almost as big as mine, doing no work at all, except pushing huge amounts of drugs into the city screwing up the economy even more.

You see where I am getting with my point? You don't even make a consistant valid point, your rambling on about how MS-13 members aren't so bad bla bla. Killing is killing buddy, why you think people go to jail for it? Why you think their are jails? Learn some facts and sh¡t instead of trying to come here acting like a fcken retard.

(I have not looked into the documentary links you've provided yet)

However..

There are definitely different extremes in killing a person. Not every killing should be treated exactly the same, because it would be very shallow minded to not consider the why and the who and the how of it.

Not that random killings are good in any way at all, but I don't think that was what castitatis was trying to say either. A person who kills another person randomly, unless their own life is at stake, should be jailed and, in my opinion, executed.

[Germ]

Originally Posted by Paul

(I have not looked into the documentary links you've provided yet)

However..

There are definitely different extremes in killing a person. Not every killing should be treated exactly the same, because it would be very shallow minded to not consider the why and the who and the how of it.

Not that random killings are good in any way at all, but I don't think that was what castitatis was trying to say either. A person who kills another person randomly, unless their own life is at stake, should be jailed and, in my opinion, executed.

Are you being serious right now? That is what exactly I just said... INNOCENT BYSTANDERS....
Why reply if your half retarded? He is saying that if you shoot someone from a mile away, its different that killing them with a machette... and that it is "less harmful".
Fck man... GZF average I.Q I believe is 60?

[illgamez]

nothing nothing can stop them

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Germ

Are you being serious right now? That is what exactly I just said... INNOCENT BYSTANDERS....
Why reply if your half retarded? He is saying that if you shoot someone from a mile away, its different that killing them with a machette... and that it is "less harmful".
Fck man... GZF average I.Q I believe is 60?

Well dude, honestly, you're adding to the IQ problem at the moment. I mean you're jumping on everyone who even speaks, and it looks like you're not understanding a word of what I'm saying, or the other one that posted either. I don't know why you continue to read what you want to read and ignore the other bits, but it looks like you're just trying to start a flame fest. Maybe if you settled down for half a second and really thought about it, you'd see that there's an actual point here.

The point:

There IS a difference between hacking someone up with a blade and shooting someone from very far away. There's a very large difference between the two actually. What I said is that if you're killing someone at random then you deserve to be punished reguardless of how you randomly killed the person, but that does not mean there isn't a drastic difference between shooting a man from far away and physically hacking them to death. Equally, castitatis did not say that it is okay to kill people at random, but rather was simply saying that in her opinion it is not as horrific as some make it out to be, when you consider how sick some people are when it comes to their motives and methods of killing another person.

[slingblader]

I stopped taking this seriously when

A: You spoke as if the navy would get involved in internal gang affairs (ok....)

B: When you spoke as if you honestly believed that this MS-13 is on a whole new scale than anything else. There are just as many fake members of this as any other, and just as much BS around it. Sure they're some pretty ****ed up people who do some ****ed up things, but don't over exaggerate.

[dylan<3]

I heard there initiation to join the gang is to get brutally beat up for 13 seconds, thus the 13 in MS-13.

[Blindside]

I'm in Ontario and there's MS-13 members in my area.

[TheCriminal]

killing innocent people is pathetic. I say anyone admitting/proven to be in any kind of clan/gang should be sentenced.

[Mugen[D]]

Originally Posted by Germ

You see, the post you just made "different level of killing" is probably the dumbest thing I have seen, and im sure most people will agree. Killing an innocent bystander (whether you chop them up with machettes, or shoot them with a sniper off the top of a building, knowing there is well over 50,000 MS-13 members in USA as it is) still doesn't mean that they are harmless, is what my statement is about. Yes, some members are worse than others, but it doesn't give the right to kill an innocent bystander?

For example, recently the Manitoba Warriors moved to my little town, since the Hells Angel's (top priorities) are currently in prison under arrest, they came here seeking drug opprotunities. You know what their initiation is buddy? They get 14 year olds (recruitments since their young and once embezeling drugs, will have their record swiped clean once they turn 18) rape innocent girls, and use a cheesegrator (yes...) on their faces. That is not even killing someone, yet you see the danger, and commitment these fck ups do to people. Seeing atleast 4 of these natives, fighting two, they not so tough as you think, considering one of the leaders lives around my rural area, sadly. What does this guy get for gonig around doing this to people, his members, and the city? He lives in a house almost as big as mine, doing no work at all, except pushing huge amounts of drugs into the city screwing up the economy even more.

You see where I am getting with my point? You don't even make a consistant valid point, your rambling on about how MS-13 members aren't so bad bla bla. Killing is killing buddy, why you think people go to jail for it? Why you think their are jails? Learn some facts and sh¡t instead of trying to come here acting like a fcken retard.

AGREED .