PPQ+ guide..?

[Jikuim]

I searched, didn't find one, and found a few posts about these moves. Some said it "doesn't exist".. O.o Others said they don't know how, and I seen some of the larger guide owners posting that they need the info, and well, if any of the bigger guides need info on how to do it or a replay, here it is.

PPQ is just forbidden step, except the Koreans call it PPQ, and I do too. :P
In the famous Korean video someone does a move and they call it "PPQ+"... it's just a PPQ into a RSHHS, I'll explain in detail though.

PS : If you think it's useless, don't read or post please, I use it in fights, it works well in alot of situations.

The first step is to master PPQ, otherwise you won't be able to pull this off.
Mastering PPQ takes a little bit of time, but it's worth it in my opinion.
PPQ is as follows :

Jump slash (hold), switch, shoot (from the hold), reload, switch to sword, dash, slash, switch, shoot (hold).

It's alot to handle in one jump, but it works wonders when you're doing something like.. chasing someone closely behind, but they're moving around too much to just spam RS, or good for when you're going around corners.
MASTER the PPQ, then move onto the next move.

RSHHS is just a half half step with 2 shots, it's much easier than PPQ, but that doesn't matter because it's not until the end of PPQ+, so you need to do PPQ first. :P

RSHHS is as follows :
Jump, dash, slash, switch, shoot, reload, jump, dash, switch, shoot.
The reload/jump are really done at the same. Remember to let yourself go in the air a little bit after you hit the ground before you dash or else the second shot will just be an on the ground shot. The replay makes alot more sense than the explanation.

PPQ+, the final product of the two, is as follows.
Jump, slash (hold), switch, shoot (from hold), reload, switch to sword, dash, slash, switch, shoot, reload, jump, dash, switch, shoot.

It gets 3 shots off in a nice tiny little area, and is really nice for spamming on someone who's disoriented from a couple solid sword hits. It's just good. :P

I see alot of whining as to it not being the EXACT move in the movie. I added the ground dash JUST to show it's the same move. Record it in fraps and slow it down if you want, I might do it a bit quicker than the guy in the movie but whatever. Replays is GoodPPQ

[Noric]

Anyway... I think you have it backwards. I think PPQ is just the name for the RSHHS. Anyway PPQ+ is the same either way.

[Jikuim]

Reservation? For wha'? lol

[Noric]

Talking ?

[DeGen_X]

Yeah, I do use this move a bit in games. I like to use PPQ mostly because Its RHHS and Its 2 shots quickly and move evasive then just reload shooting while walking around or so.

[Noric]

Btw I find forbidden step most useful on walls.

[Emjay]

Ppq/ppq+ is not forbidden step/advanced forbidden step.
If you read the topics you would know it's not forbidden step but ppq/ppq+ or "dhs"(double hs).
YouTube - Gunz テクニック集
01:13.
Look at the video again and you'll see it's not forbidden step because it uses another dash thus making it ppq/ppq+.

Since nonoe posted on this yet..
^
Topic where sinjihn told about it and explained the steps further into the details.

Edit: Going further into what you wrote down, the move your explaining is forbidden step with 3 shots aka advanced forbidden step.
As my good friend Ratpoison demonstrates here. >YouTube - Ratpoison lessons 1: Forbidden step with RSHHS

No flaming here just giving some general info.
Emjay.

[Jikuim]

Okay.
I'll address your post, Emjay.
1: That guy did not explain the moves in greater detail in his post, he barely explained them all. He just explained more. It's a good post, but for the exact way to do the steps with my own replays, I made this topic.

2: That's like saying if you dash on the ground before HS it's different than doing it from standing.

Dashing INTO "forbidden step" doesn't make it a PPQ, that's just a dash on the ground. It's the same thing either way, from standing or with a dash.

Dash on ground + HS = HS.
Dash on ground + PPQ = PPQ
standing HS = HS
standing PPQ = PPQ..

Why would a ground dash change anything?

[Emjay]

Originally Posted by Jikuim

Okay.
I'll address your post, Emjay.
1: That guy did not explain the moves in greater detail in his post.
You could've looked further into the topic itself.

2: That's like saying if you dash on the ground before HS it's different than doing it from standing.
Now that's not different but geartapping is.
Dashing INTO "forbidden step" doesn't make it a PPQ.
And again i say geartapping it isn't dashing into a forbidden step.
Because you use a whole different timing/animation with geartapping into a "geartapped fs".

Dash on ground + HS = HS. Indeed i agree
Dash on ground + PPQ = PPQ= not forbidden step because it uses 2 dashes following each other. standing HS = HS duh -.-"
standing PPQ = PPQ.

Why would a ground dash change anything?

Because it's not a simple grounddash...
It's called geartapping when you switch the dash and the jump getting a " geartapped hs" thus a gear tap hs + a hs in the air itself is considered "double hs".
And it's not even a simple hs in the air because it uses a silent dash.
A explaination used if you looked further into the topic.

> dash left=>jump=>slash(hold)=>change to gun=>shoot=>change to sword=>dash right=>dash left=>slac=slash(hold)=>change to gun=>shoot.

[Traumatize]

^ both of you are wrong, that double HS thing is simply double hs.. that has nothing to do with PPQ except a gear tapped hs. Now, to clarify because you have no clue what you are talking about

PPQ is not RSHHS, otherwise the KGunZ players would have called it RSHHS! PPQ is LIKE a RSHHS, however, whereas RSHHS would do both shots on the Jump -> Dash back and as the person lands, PPQ is a slashshot, when you finish the slashshot you jump, reload, and switch to your second gun and continue the dash back, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

Now, PPQ+, is just a PPQ with a little extra added, hence the +, the + just means you are doing a gear tapped HS into a PPQ, we would call that forbidden step, except forbidden step is 2 slashshots, not a ground halfstep into a PPQ. Again they are similar, BUT NOT THE SAME! There are slight differences in the moves, you guys are both meshing them together, they are seperate, leave their respective names and stop trying to rename/explain them, people in search of the new moves will use the search button or meet friends in high places. I am not against showing moves but we have shown the community and most have ignored us.

Now, recently a replay of transvestor has gotten out that shows him doing a PPQ+, however even transvestor has trouble with it, he can only do it about 50% of the time and supposedly can't aim well with it because he is focusing too much on getting the move right, however if he masters it, the move will be a great addition to his offensive repetoire.

sorry about the wall of text.

[Jikuim]

Wow, ok.

I know I'm right, I play kGunz, I still do, and I have friends.

I'll explain again :

Okay, PPQ is our "forbidden step" with a ground dash, whatever, but it doesn't make a difference.
Geartap HS involves SWITCHING the jump and the dash, not adding a dash at the start. It's completely different.

If you dash INTO a PPQ you're NOT switching the places of the dash and the jump of anything, your JUST dashing into it.

No, PPQ is not RSHHS, I showed RSHHS, and I'm doing it right in my replay.

PPQ is the same as forbidden step, if you think it's different because you dash on the ground and THEN do the jump, all the power to you.

There is NO DOUBLE HS. It's the EXACT same thing as a PPQ but with a dash on the ground so you're going in one direction first, and it looks like a double HS.

I can take a replay of me doing BOTH and pressing the exact same keys if you want.

A double HS would mean in the jump you'd dash one way, back the other way, then back again, all IN THE JUMP. No momentum can come from the ground, that doesn't make it a new move, it just makes you have prior momentum.

PPQ is what I showwed you in the replay and I explained, so is PPQ+, and so is RSHHS, the replays and steps are all that matter, so why argue over what they are if my post is right.

[Aoshi538]

I'd love to be able to pull these off but I'm not the greatest at Rs or any of the Reloading techniques.

[Jikuim]

Just takes practice, and to be honest, I use MRB.. it's just easier, and it's actually possible to do it in game now, I just like to have right click do uppercut and reload.


ALSO!
I just wanna' say.

Replay 460 is me doing "DOUBLE HALFSTEP OMGZ"
465 is me doing PPQ.

Same thing. I do the EXACT same move, I just dash before one.
Thats like saying adding a dash before butterfly is GODSTEP PLZ.
I'm not SWITCHING dash/jump, I'm just adding a grounddash, and I do the EXACT same thing the "Double HS" in the movie is. Ezpz.


Uploaded 471, another demonstration of DASHING INTO PPQ.
I don't care if you call it Forbidden step or PPQ, as long as you realize adding a dash before it doesn't change it from Foribbden to PPQ, or from PPQ to Double HS.

They're ALL THE SAME MOVE.

^ both of you are wrong, that double HS thing is simply double hs.. that has nothing to do with PPQ except a gear tapped hs. Now, to clarify because you have no clue what you are talking about

PPQ is not RSHHS, otherwise the KGunZ players would have called it RSHHS! PPQ is LIKE a RSHHS, however, whereas RSHHS would do both shots on the Jump -> Dash back and as the person lands, PPQ is a slashshot, when you finish the slashshot you jump, reload, and switch to your second gun and continue the dash back, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

Now, PPQ+, is just a PPQ with a little extra added, hence the +, the + just means you are doing a gear tapped HS into a PPQ, we would call that forbidden step, except forbidden step is 2 slashshots, not a ground halfstep into a PPQ. Again they are similar, BUT NOT THE SAME! There are slight differences in the moves, you guys are both meshing them together, they are seperate, leave their respective names and stop trying to rename/explain them, people in search of the new moves will use the search button or meet friends in high places. I am not against showing moves but we have shown the community and most have ignored us.

Now, recently a replay of transvestor has gotten out that shows him doing a PPQ+, however even transvestor has trouble with it, he can only do it about 50% of the time and supposedly can't aim well with it because he is focusing too much on getting the move right, however if he masters it, the move will be a great addition to his offensive repetoire.

sorry about the wall of text.

Okay just to comment.
1 : PPQ IS two slash shots. Did you watch the video? if PPQ+ has a HHS on the end, why would HHS not be the +? Plus, on the kGunz forums they explain this. :P

2 : What's this about someone "almost mastering" PPQ+. It's easy. I can do it whenever. I don't get it. My replay is right. I'll add a dash on the ground to make you happy.

For those of you who believe THE GROUND DASH IS NEEDED. Here's the EXACT same move I posted about in the first topic, WITH a ground dash. Replay 501.

[Emjay]

I'll edit this later, im in school right now.

[JoJo323]

Why is it call PPQ? I think BBQ sounds better! =D