In between the HHS/Eight Step

[Masih]

hello...
I was wondering...
the HHS/Eight Step step (isnt that the same thing? anyway, im talking about the fast bunnylike jumping(prolly 8 step,if it is, ignore the HHS word from here)) is :
Jump -> Dash (midair) -> slash (hold) -> change weapon ->(land)jump->dash ->gun will shoot.

Umm.. basically this step involves 2 jumps, one for dash forth, and one for the continuing one (back or w/e).

I was wondering...
Is there a technique before the HHS and after the HS but without the last dash.
Like:
Jump -> Dash (midair) -> slash -> change weapon ->(land)jump->gun will shoot.

I mean.. HHS/Eight step is kind of unique from HS and SS, it has the "blink" effect that HS and SS doesn't have.
And.. this "thing" must be pretty useless, but then again, SS must be aswell.

[xBlowBack]

Hm your first idea, that extra dash, from my expericence is going to be a tumble, or if your fast enough to be a gundash. For your second idea, thats sounds like a regular halfstep to me.

[Masih]

the difference from this, from what i noticed when experimenting with this.
its like ...SS but shooting after you land, but you get the 8-step jump effect on it ><
But exactly, you got it, like...
------------------------------------------------------gundash effect
Jump -> Dash (midair) -> slash -> change weapon ->(land)jump ->shoot
I got it on a rec file incase someone doesn't understand, there are 2 dashes in the HS jump, there's only one dash in the first hhs jump.

look at both the attachments and closely investigate the "trick"/technique/"w/e"....
I'm thinking bout calling it Blink Step, cause it's the step I'd like to teach newbs before I'd teach them Eight step or HHS.

whaddya think, can i move it to scubas thread at bounty stockpile?

[Graila]

Originally Posted by Masih

hello...
I was wondering...
the HHS/Eight Step step (isnt that the same thing? anyway, im talking about the fast bunnylike jumping(prolly 8 step,if it is, ignore the HHS word from here)) is :
Jump -> Dash (midair) -> slash (hold) -> change weapon ->(land)jump->dash ->gun will shoot.

Umm.. basically this step involves 2 jumps, one for dash forth, and one for the continuing one (back or w/e).

I was wondering...
Is there a technique before the HHS and after the HS but without the last dash.
Like:
Jump -> Dash (midair) -> slash -> change weapon ->(land)jump->gun will shoot.

I mean.. HHS/Eight step is kind of unique from HS and SS, it has the "blink" effect that HS and SS doesn't have.
And.. this "thing" must be pretty useless, but then again, SS must be aswell.

The first move you described is a HHS. The extra jump as compared to a regualr HS causes the glitchy teleporting animation.

The second technique you described is a SS and... jumping at the end of it.

Eighth step is something completely different and involves a fair bit of timing which slows you down a bit. Not particularily useful but can be that doesnt mean its worthless. basically eighth step is another name for the yoyohop dagger users often use and probably has other names. The move is simply Jump -> dash. The point being that you can dash with any weapon, melee, ranged, or even med kits. The reason you can do this is similar to the reason superdash exsists. Unlike superdash though, this requires exact timing for the ending of an animation. What people often do to help with this move is to jump -> switch -> dash. It is easier to time the dash for the end of the switching animation then then ending of the jumping animation. The reason this slows people down is because it requires people to wait until the end of the jump animation where as when people do a ss/hs or w.e. they start the move well before the top of the jump making it much faster.

[Mugen]

Are you trying to say that you made this up? Cuz you didnt >_>;

But yea.. what Graila said..

[Masih]

no, notrly.
and yes..the first, I was describing the HHS move lol.

and the second move, yes it's like SS, but you shoot after you land, and you dash in midair, which I wouldn't in SS.

It's just, HHS without the last dash.

and for Mugen..
If you're trying to say I "didn't make this up", then who did? does that mean this "thing" is unfamiliar to everyone?
What is this then?
did you guys even watch the replays?

[Mugen]

I did watch the replays..
It's like a different version of hs imo
And everyone has done it a time or two if they know hs. Happens to me when I get lazy and my timing gets off..

btw.. thx for the siggy idea ~ the whole "screenie of people calling you nooby" thingy

[Masih]

HS has 2 dashes in one jump.
This has 1 dash and then a jump in the end.
It's a bounce shot lol.
first you kinda bounce on the ground then comes the shot.
In eight step you keep a constant bouncing thanks to the dashing.

IMO this is not even familiar to HS, but more to SS (only if you dash too soon).

yea lol, np, saw urs and I'm like..umm...u copyrighted that? O_o should I worry? lol

[Anthop]

Yay for 3/8ths Step? <_<

[Masih]

in one way.. it is kind of.. math here... ;/
Half step is... well as it says (1/2) the half.
and HHs is Quarter step (meaning 1/4) and Eight step requires a faster timimng making it looking 8 bounces(1/8)
This is like.. HHs subtracting one dash but still with a jump.
Many have done this, and probably many do this when hesitating while under the training of Eight Step or MS or HHS. (or just if they're too lazy to dash in the HHS)..

that would make this...uh... wait...
(4-2)+1=3
HHS-HS+one step=one third step?
Or something? O_o

[Mugen]

STOP THE MATH PLZ ~ I GET ENOUGH OF THAT BULL**** AT SCHOOL KTHX

Btw, nice double post xD

Uh,whatever, all i know is, i've done this move before, i just think of it as an "alternative" for hs or ss whatever you want it to xD

[Masih]

what double post?
lol?
(10chars+21)
free post!

[Sky ???]

Originally Posted by Graila

The first move you described is a HHS. The extra jump as compared to a regualr HS causes the glitchy teleporting animation.

The second technique you described is a SS and... jumping at the end of it.

Eighth step is something completely different and involves a fair bit of timing which slows you down a bit. Not particularily useful but can be that doesnt mean its worthless. basically eighth step is another name for the yoyohop dagger users often use and probably has other names. The move is simply Jump -> dash. The point being that you can dash with any weapon, melee, ranged, or even med kits. The reason you can do this is similar to the reason superdash exsists. Unlike superdash though, this requires exact timing for the ending of an animation. What people often do to help with this move is to jump -> switch -> dash. It is easier to time the dash for the end of the switching animation then then ending of the jumping animation. The reason this slows people down is because it requires people to wait until the end of the jump animation where as when people do a ss/hs or w.e. they start the move well before the top of the jump making it much faster.

Just fyi. there is no eight step.

Its called stylish step, it dosnt matter what you do after the quick slash jump its still a stylish step ie jump, dash, slash, 2,1, jump, dash, slash, block Or jump, dash, slash, 2,1, jump, dash, slash, 2, jump, (while hlding a direction = eight step fyi) ITS STILL CALLED STYLISH STEP. Kraise posted about these moves and since he was the first one to add them to igunz you should use him name instead of inventing your own for no reason. Hell if you dont want to be stuck up you could just calll it quick slash then half half step because thats what it is.

[Graila]

Originally Posted by Sky ???

Just fyi. there is no eight step.

Its called stylish step, it dosnt matter what you do after the quick slash jump its still a stylish step ie jump, dash, slash, 2,1, jump, dash, slash, block Or jump, dash, slash, 2,1, jump, dash, slash, 2, jump, (while hlding a direction = eight step fyi) ITS STILL CALLED STYLISH STEP. Kraise posted about these moves and since he was the first one to add them to igunz you should use him name instead of inventing your own for no reason. Hell if you dont want to be stuck up you could just calll it quick slash then half half step because thats what it is.

Well what you described is different then what I described. Perhaps I am using the wrong name for the move I described. The move I described is a yoyo hop, a move mostly done by dagger users because they cannot HS. I agree that what you described is indeed a stylish step(just adding your own crap after a quickslash). The yoyohop can be done with a simple jump->(timed)dash. It can be applied anywhere at anytime and does not need to follow a quickslash.

Again perhaps I messed up the names but I was under the impression that a yoyohop was also called the eigthstep when applied with a sword and kstyle (you know how they like to make up more names).

[Masih]

Umm.. basically, 8 step cant be done with daggers, I'm unsure if the the "stabbing" and dashing can't, but not the weaponchange/shooting.
in this case, we really aren't talking about the shooting and changing part.
This move is like..
a HHS without the dash before shooting.
just like
SS is a HS without the dash after shooting.

I just don't think HHS should "evolve" from HS that easily, there is something else, something very small "missing" between the differences of the 2 techniques.
and Sky.. please let me remind you... Kraise isn't God, he's just a korean guy.

If this thread of my "wonderings" is bothering people too much, then, nevermind...

let's keep discussions intellectual, positive and clear.
I'll accept any misjudges, as long as it doesn't hurt one or another.

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