DBF practice problem on wall.

[Providentia]

I was advised to practice DBF on wall. Side dbf is no problem but forward dbf is.

So I did but my problem seems that after like 2 dbf, I climb the wall and it gets annoying.

What is the problem? Help greatly appreciated.

[Zosimus]

Try looking down when you do it.

[1000cranes]

wtf why do it at the wall at all

it's not like your opponent is going to stand still and stretch halfway across the map

[death song]

People say to practice against a wall because seeing the slashes helps you know that you are actually slashing twice and not just blocking twice. However, you can tell by the sounds you make whether you are slashing or not. That makes practicing against a wall pointless.

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by death song

People say to practice against a wall because seeing the slashes helps you know that you are actually slashing twice and not just blocking twice. However, you can tell by the sounds you make whether you are slashing or not. That makes practicing against a wall pointless.

Not really. It's helpful if you're new or don't know how to butterfly. Also, I don't know what "sounds" you're talking about. You don't really make any sounds other than dashing and a bit of the sword. But that alone doesn't tell you whether you're butterflying correctly or not.

[1000cranes]

Not really. It's helpful if you're new or don't know how to butterfly. Also, I don't know what "sounds" you're talking about. You don't really make any sounds other than dashing and a bit of the sword. But that alone doesn't tell you whether you're butterflying correctly or not.

You make a sound whenever you slash. Therefore if you hear the sound, you know the slash is coming out. Therefore the solution to this is to leave the poor wall alone and turn your volume up.

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

You make a sound whenever you slash. Therefore if you hear the sound, you know the slash is coming out. Therefore the solution to this is to leave the poor wall alone and turn your volume up.

Just because you hear the slash doesn't mean you're actually slashing. You can't go by sound alone here. You've got look at the actual animation to determine whether you're hitting or not, and to figure out where in the animation you're doing it right you should probably do it up against the wall a few times. In all honestly that's an easier way to learn how to do it for somebody that's new.

[Mach-6]

walls are pretty useful for figuring out your range

[1000cranes]

Originally Posted by Yvgeniy

Just because you hear the slash doesn't mean you're actually slashing. You can't go by sound alone here. You've got look at the actual animation to determine whether you're hitting or not, and to figure out where in the animation you're doing it right you should probably do it up against the wall a few times. In all honestly that's an easier way to learn how to do it for somebody that's new.

No. You hear it every time. The animation of a fast dbf just looks like a void block in the air anyway.

God, is a mod trying to troll me?

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

No. You hear it every time. The animation of a fast dbf just looks like a void block in the air anyway.

God, is a mod trying to troll me?

Male animations are different from females, obviously. When you're in the middle of battle you're not gona have the luxury of listening to your swishes, which makes the sound aspect of it pretty useless (you should be able to butterfly without any sound at all). The animation is what primarily triggers you to perform the move and time it correctly, the sound aspect is secondary.

All in all, I have to say that for somebody new to the game learning up against a wall is ideal so you can figure out not only if you're doing it right, but how far away you have to be to hit. Likewise you can learn some basic movement with butterfly. For example, you can pick a spot on a wall and try to hit it every single time while sporadically moving around. Pillars are especially good for this.

[1000cranes]

Male animations are different from females, obviously. When you're in the middle of battle you're not gona have the luxury of listening to your swishes, which makes the sound aspect of it pretty useless (you should be able to butterfly without any sound at all). The animation is what primarily triggers you to perform the move and time it correctly, the sound aspect is secondary.

All in all, I have to say that for somebody new to the game learning up against a wall is ideal so you can figure out not only if you're doing it right, but how far away you have to be to hit. Likewise you can learn some basic movement with butterfly. For example, you can pick a spot on a wall and try to hit it every single time while sporadically moving around. Pillars are especially good for this.

It doesn't matter whether you're using a male or a female. The animation looks like a mid-air void block either way.

The original post was asking how to get past the problem of practicing forward dbf on the wall for extended periods of time since after a few, he started climbing up the wall. To which I responded by pointing out that you can practice dbfing quickly forwards while still making sure the slashes still came out using sound, that's the ONLY thing I recommeded using sound for.

You don't need the animation to know if the slash is coming out. There is always a sound when the slash comes out, I've tested it. The animation doesn't show the slash anyhow, it's canceled too fast. Don't practice forward dbf at the wall, it's not productive.

[Yvgeniy]

Originally Posted by 1000cranes

It doesn't matter whether you're using a male or a female. The animation looks like a mid-air void block either way.

The original post was asking how to get past the problem of practicing forward dbf on the wall for extended periods of time since after a few, he started climbing up the wall. To which I responded by pointing out that you can practice dbfing quickly forwards while still making sure the slashes still came out using sound, that's the ONLY thing I recommeded using sound for.

You don't need the animation to know if the slash is coming out. There is always a sound when the slash comes out, I've tested it. The animation doesn't show the slash anyhow, it's canceled too fast. Don't practice forward dbf at the wall, it's not productive.

With that I'll agree, but not about the animations. It's a psychological thing, but if you're used to the male butterfly animation the female one is going to throw you off and you're going to have to sort of "re-learn" it. It's happened to me countless times when I switched between genders after not playing one or the other for a good while. The timing is still the same, but because it looks different it throws you off.

For males in particular it's hard to learn because like you said, the slash is almost not even there. However, from personal experience i learned to butterfly with males by paying attention to how far my sword goes down during the slash to correctly time the block. After a while I got the hang of it and could butterfly super fast. It's easier to learn with females because the block is in complete reverse from the slash, but as a result the animation is also excessive, which makes it more difficult to learn to do it really fast. Another words, it's easy to learn to butterfly with a female, but hard to learn to do it fast; hard to learn to butterfly with a male, but easy to learn to do it fast.

[Whist]

Too much text to bother reading it all so forgive me if this has already been said...but the walls are used to see you're doing it correct since you can see where it strikes.
Once you can do DBF correctly on a wall, then you add in movement away from a wall. You should know you're doing it correctly because you hear the swing of your sword.

You don't NEED to use a wall, it's just helpful to make sure you're doing it right. The lower the first slash is the better you're doing it.