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Originally Posted by Odin5  Here's a chew toy (Argument of Free Will in terms of the Christian God) -
1. The Christian god is defined as a personal being who knows everything. According to Christians, personal beings have free will.
2. In order to have free will, you must have more than one option, each of which is avoidable. This means that before you make a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential: you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential (if not the desire) to change your mind before the decision is final.
3. A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty." It knows its choices in advance.
4. A being that knows its choices in advance has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore lacks free will.
5. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being who knows everything cannot exist.
6. Therefore, the Christian god does not exist. |
Let's just skip this all and get to what it really comes down to in the end. We don't know anything, and even our science is man crafted. We can choose to believe in the logic we come up with or sacrifice that for a great being we believe in.
Logic ultimately means nothing when you consider how many people have used it so many ways to both defend and assault religion as a whole, and in particular ones. However, logic in itself is developed by the human mind, so in my world for all you KNOW (at that's the key important word) I could be God. For all anyone knows, anything is possible.
It's the Matrix theory I suppose, but I mean, the matrix is a very valid theory. The ONLY thing we as humans can be sure of is that we DON'T REALLY
KNOW ANYTHING.
Even if we explored the farthest reaches of the farthest galaxies all the way to the end of the universe and beyond we would STILL yet be limited by one thing. We are not omnipotent, we are not born knowing all and we will never know all.
We may think we know a lot, we may think that the sky is blue, the grass is green, the stars shine and cows go moo, but we occupy so little of the universe anything we pack into our brains is so insignificant to the vast stretches of knowledge that may come with knowing all that's it's barely worth mentioning.
So to say God doesn't exist to me, is like saying that in your world mushroom pop out of little boxes and make you grow fifty feet tall, however you have nothing to back that up except with Logic that can't be proven in any way to be valid, or invalid.